Erika Kirk forgave Tyler Robinson, her husband's killer. A man yelled "Free Palestine!" at a N.H. country club before shooting, but did he mean it? Where speech is not free.
Utter rubbish what is said above about the orgin of name Palestine...even CIA/Mossad controlled Wikipedia has a better understanding of it...due diligence, my friend!
This is some goood propaganda. Reminds me of my days in the church. Back before it was so easy to get the rest of the story and realize when a person only tells half of what happens they are just lying to you another way.
When you have multiple speakers at your husbands funeral and all of them but you promise anything but forgiveness is it actually forgiveness if you say it is. Or do the people you choose to speak with you cancel out your message.
Let me put this a way that even Steve would understand. If the DNC had 5 speakers at their convention and 4 of them all said they were going to go to war with Israel, but the last one said they loved Israel and there would be peace which would you write about? Oh by the way, that last speaker is just the wife of the nominee while all the others have massive power to do what they said.
I am not sure you’ve digested what I wrote. However I do believe Erika Kirk’s words were genuine and she believes them. Those were not gibberish and hers is really the only forgiveness that matters.
“Keep the meat and leave the bones” is how I always treat such things. Critical thinking. The Bible calls it “testing the spirits” 1 John 4:1. Now as for invited guests…believe what you want.
Pastor Joel Rainey wrote about the funeral rally. He pointed out that some have seen the service as having distinguished between the roles of church and state. He wrote,"The visions last night were NOT about the roles of church and state.
This is instead about two competing cultural visions—one guided by a Christian worldview; the other by Nihilism. And since Jesus has never and will never share his glory with others, we are going to have to pick one.
The temptation in a cultural moment like this is to pretend that we can have both. But when you syncretize the beauty and power of the Gospel embodied in Erika Kirk’s words and actions with what Miller said, you don’t get the Gospel. What you get is a bastardized, slanderous, damnable false “gospel” that eventually corrupts and ruins everything.
Same time. Same place. Same political affiliations.
Same stage.
Radically different messages that are irreconcilable. Satan loves that kind of confusion, and in this moment, he is hoping followers of Jesus are either unable, or unwilling, to discern the difference and choose what is right. This is exactly how the demonic works—confusion, fear, and rage.
So the "meat" is only lady saying she forgives and not the 4 who swore vengeance against people who had nothing to do with it? That is so freaking telling about your character.
That you don't even go into the contrast and how one is appropriate - both in general and from a Christian perspective - and the others were not is not something I expected from you. So the question is - why? I don't think you care if you insult or offend someone by speaking the truth to them about it - so why ignore it entirely?
I’d say the widow’s words are of higher caliber than just about anyone else’s. Plus, forgiveness is a personal thing. I’m frankly not sure it’s anyone else’s place to forgive or not forgive this perp.
The wife had control of who spoke at that funeral. They were all her words. That is the point. If you allow all those people who promise retribution at your husbands funeral you can say anything you want. The people you are around speak louder. I don't get why you "christians" can't understand that. It's kinda a core value in that little book you all pretend to live by.
Absolutely. It troubles me greatly that Erika, who now runs TPUSA, is allowing the likes of Tucker Carlson to speak at their events. I don’t think that detracts from her remarks at the memorial but it doesn’t do anything to give me assurance TPUSA is anything but a political MAGA org. Mixing Christianity with politics is never good.
I don't believe a person can hold two contradicting views. I don't think a person can forgive while in the same service have multiple speakers call for vengeance. Maybe she does actually mean it, but then she let political speakers co-opt her husbands remembrance to push a message she is against. If that is the view of her you find favorable make sure you have your wife ask Rep. Omar to speak at your funeral her true feelings on Israel.
Personally I just think you are using this shameful skill you have developed these past 12 years where you pretend everything bad doesn't exist and focus only on good things that happen. Of course, this skill can only be used for the benefit of other Christians and Jews with whom you identify. You have no such grace for anyone else.
Of course a person can hold two contradicting views. It’s commonplace. There’s even a word for it: cognitive dissonance, when a person discovers they are holding two contradicting views.
And just so were clear you are praising her for allowing her husbands funeral to be a 3 hour spectacle about the cognitive dissonance of christian nationalism?
Thank you. Your opinion of everything done in the name of Jesus (which you consider tragic) is well known. If anyone can live up to your standards of holiness, I’d like to know how.
It's not that hard. Don't mix Christianity with anything else. It is counterproductive to the actual message of Christ. Which Christians are commanded to put above all. That wasn't my issue with this whole thing though. My issue with this article was about you, not Erika Kirk.
My issue was with you as a messenger and a journalist, you didn't bother to tell the whole story. Which turned what you wrote into straight propaganda. You wrote the same story as Benny J. That should shame you unto you die. You have to put the other speakers in as a contrast in an article that wants to put a religious point of view on a funeral.
"Forgiveness was on the menu"...
Just gonna leave out what Trump, Miller, and Carlson actually said?
He said forgiveness was on the menu, doesn't mean that everyone ordered it.
Ah, but no notes on who didn't order it. Just the comments on the widow Kirk, and how Trump and Elon got along.
That's fair...
Yes. It was gibberish.
And yet you didn't mention that at all. It's a disservice.
At least they didn’t shoot anybody
Who's "they"?
The people you mentioned in the comment were responding to
Is that the entirety of your sense of right or wrong - whether someone shot someone else?
Or are you trying to do some "They shot Charlie Kirk" BS?
No of course not.
Are you always this disingenuous?
What was the point of your original comment, then?
Utter rubbish what is said above about the orgin of name Palestine...even CIA/Mossad controlled Wikipedia has a better understanding of it...due diligence, my friend!
Wrong. Stop perverting language.
Merely asserting things doesn’t make them so.
I really need some lawyer who can explain to me if Tylenol has a case. How do you just come out and say that?
They likely do because even their own report notes the data is inconclusive/does not show certain harm.
This is some goood propaganda. Reminds me of my days in the church. Back before it was so easy to get the rest of the story and realize when a person only tells half of what happens they are just lying to you another way.
When you have multiple speakers at your husbands funeral and all of them but you promise anything but forgiveness is it actually forgiveness if you say it is. Or do the people you choose to speak with you cancel out your message.
Let me put this a way that even Steve would understand. If the DNC had 5 speakers at their convention and 4 of them all said they were going to go to war with Israel, but the last one said they loved Israel and there would be peace which would you write about? Oh by the way, that last speaker is just the wife of the nominee while all the others have massive power to do what they said.
I am not sure you’ve digested what I wrote. However I do believe Erika Kirk’s words were genuine and she believes them. Those were not gibberish and hers is really the only forgiveness that matters.
Gibberish, plagiarizing Goebbels...what's the difference, right?
“Keep the meat and leave the bones” is how I always treat such things. Critical thinking. The Bible calls it “testing the spirits” 1 John 4:1. Now as for invited guests…believe what you want.
Pastor Joel Rainey wrote about the funeral rally. He pointed out that some have seen the service as having distinguished between the roles of church and state. He wrote,"The visions last night were NOT about the roles of church and state.
This is instead about two competing cultural visions—one guided by a Christian worldview; the other by Nihilism. And since Jesus has never and will never share his glory with others, we are going to have to pick one.
The temptation in a cultural moment like this is to pretend that we can have both. But when you syncretize the beauty and power of the Gospel embodied in Erika Kirk’s words and actions with what Miller said, you don’t get the Gospel. What you get is a bastardized, slanderous, damnable false “gospel” that eventually corrupts and ruins everything.
Same time. Same place. Same political affiliations.
Same stage.
Radically different messages that are irreconcilable. Satan loves that kind of confusion, and in this moment, he is hoping followers of Jesus are either unable, or unwilling, to discern the difference and choose what is right. This is exactly how the demonic works—confusion, fear, and rage.
Christian, you had better know the difference."
Spot on.
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So the "meat" is only lady saying she forgives and not the 4 who swore vengeance against people who had nothing to do with it? That is so freaking telling about your character.
That you don't even go into the contrast and how one is appropriate - both in general and from a Christian perspective - and the others were not is not something I expected from you. So the question is - why? I don't think you care if you insult or offend someone by speaking the truth to them about it - so why ignore it entirely?
It wasn’t the point of the post. So, no.
Then why even have any statement about it at all? It's completely unrelated to the point of the post.
I’d say the widow’s words are of higher caliber than just about anyone else’s. Plus, forgiveness is a personal thing. I’m frankly not sure it’s anyone else’s place to forgive or not forgive this perp.
The wife had control of who spoke at that funeral. They were all her words. That is the point. If you allow all those people who promise retribution at your husbands funeral you can say anything you want. The people you are around speak louder. I don't get why you "christians" can't understand that. It's kinda a core value in that little book you all pretend to live by.
1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
Absolutely. It troubles me greatly that Erika, who now runs TPUSA, is allowing the likes of Tucker Carlson to speak at their events. I don’t think that detracts from her remarks at the memorial but it doesn’t do anything to give me assurance TPUSA is anything but a political MAGA org. Mixing Christianity with politics is never good.
Duly noted. So you’re holding Erika responsible for everyone else’s speech at the event but giving her no credit for her own.
I don't believe a person can hold two contradicting views. I don't think a person can forgive while in the same service have multiple speakers call for vengeance. Maybe she does actually mean it, but then she let political speakers co-opt her husbands remembrance to push a message she is against. If that is the view of her you find favorable make sure you have your wife ask Rep. Omar to speak at your funeral her true feelings on Israel.
Personally I just think you are using this shameful skill you have developed these past 12 years where you pretend everything bad doesn't exist and focus only on good things that happen. Of course, this skill can only be used for the benefit of other Christians and Jews with whom you identify. You have no such grace for anyone else.
Of course a person can hold two contradicting views. It’s commonplace. There’s even a word for it: cognitive dissonance, when a person discovers they are holding two contradicting views.
And just so were clear you are praising her for allowing her husbands funeral to be a 3 hour spectacle about the cognitive dissonance of christian nationalism?
They’re not her words. Unless you’re claiming she personally reviewed and approved every one of them.
She did the speakers. That is enough.
Thank you. Your opinion of everything done in the name of Jesus (which you consider tragic) is well known. If anyone can live up to your standards of holiness, I’d like to know how.
It's not that hard. Don't mix Christianity with anything else. It is counterproductive to the actual message of Christ. Which Christians are commanded to put above all. That wasn't my issue with this whole thing though. My issue with this article was about you, not Erika Kirk.
My issue was with you as a messenger and a journalist, you didn't bother to tell the whole story. Which turned what you wrote into straight propaganda. You wrote the same story as Benny J. That should shame you unto you die. You have to put the other speakers in as a contrast in an article that wants to put a religious point of view on a funeral.