In Illinois, the GOP nominated Darren Bailey, a Stop-the-Steal candidate who will very likely lose to Pritzker as he's unpalatable to the urban and suburban voters who outnumber his rural GOP #MAGA constituency. Bailey's only angle is to hammer Pritzker on the urban crime issue, but won't likely be sufficient to take him to victory.
As for the Senate race, we had a large GOP primary, and Kathy Salvi - a reasonable classical Republican - beat out the second place finisher with 29% of the vote. Peggy Hubbard - who was part of the Jan. 6th insurrection and is proud of it - only trailed Salvi by 5 points with a 25% vote share. At this point, Salvi will have to run to Illinois' centrist voters if she wants to beat Tammy Duckworth, who enjoys a net +10% approval rating in the state.
It's worth noting that Pritzker's campaign pushed Bailey as their preferred November opponent:
"Bailey’s victory was assisted in part by Pritzker and the Pritzker-backed Democratic Governors Association, with millions of dollars in ads and mailers asking Republicans if the state senator was “too conservative for Illinois.” Voters delivered an answer. Now, for the general election campaign, Pritzker and the DGA will flood voters with the slogan along with reminders of Bailey’s ties to Trump."[1]
I imagine that this pattern is playing out elsewhere as well.
Hopefully it doesn't bet Democrats in the ass like Trump 2016 did.
The one thing I saw about Bailey was his complaint about "10% of the land dominating the other 90%". Land doesn't vote, people do - and if the majority of the people live in 10% of the land, then so it goes.
Who knew that Bailey was such a big fan of Bill Gates running everything?
"A new report on the largest holders of private farmland in the United States reveals that Bill and Melinda Gates are atop the list, with the billionaire Seattle couple amassing 242,000 acres of land."
"According to The Land Report, the Microsoft co-founder owns farmland across 18 states, with the largest holdings being in Louisiana (69,071 acres), Arkansas (47,927 acres) and Nebraska (20,588 acres). Gates also owns a stake in more than 24,800 acres of transitional land outside of Phoenix."[1]
Yesterday we found out DeSantis made a huge power grab by getting the legislature to ignore our constitutional “ home rule”. This allows local county and city governments control over their own citizens. Starting in July 2023 my husband with have to jump thru state hoops to get a painting contractor license in Miami-Dade county. Licenses became a requirement to protect citizens from all the fraud and outright theft after hurricane Andrew. Contractor licensing is the tip of the iceberg as my tiny bit of research shows he wants to make county and city governments obsolete. He has been busy appointing judges he is sure will rule in his favor in this unprecedented power grab. He scares me for my children and grandchildren’s sake. I don’t want him re-elected as governor and I sure as heck don’t want him as president. I won’t even go into the unnecessary deaths he caused from covid denial and the fact that he refused to pre-order vaccines for kids under 5. I can only try to educate people on what he is doing and pray he is not elected to any post ever.
Whatever it takes to turn off Republican voters. I see comments like this on six or eight political comment sites. As de Santis gains popularity, never-Trumps are morphing into never-de Santis who have no alternatives to offer. I'm sure the volume will increase dramatically by 2024.
True, but I would vote for that ticket in a heartbeat before I would sit it out or vote for Biden/Harris. I actually like Liz although her teamwork is lacking. Unfortunately, 25% of conservative/Republican voters would not vote or would vote for a third-party loser.
The question is whether her ultimate team is the Trumpist Wing of the GOP (which unfortunately is most of the GOP at this point) or the American people and she chose the latter.
I know Reagan’s eleventh commandment is long gone and hard to find. Would like to navigate the primary round without being labeled either Maga or Rino. Or Never Trump either for that matter. Don’t think I will have this wish granted. Conservatives are looking for a home. Limit the friendly fire. Conservatives that like Cheney probably are not likely to like De-Santis. Same in reverse too. It will sort out. Still early. I remember believing the Romney would have been President if more conservatives voted. Need to find conservative candidates that we all can back. we will see.
I voted for McCain and Romney and believe that both turned off way too many conservative voters. I try to avoid using the term, RINO, because absolutist conservatives use it to describe many of the politicians I view favorably.
In the case of de Santis, I have trouble believing that there is not some coordination in the dozens of adverse comments I see daily. Some of the comments come from die-hard Trump fans and others come from democrat/socialists seeking to sow discord and a few from people who resent de Santis being such a take-charge guy. I question David's cherry picking of polls to imply de Santis is losing ground although he does add that democrats usually underperform in Florida.
I think any conservative candidate that emerges from the GOP primary and tacks to the center to pick off moderate voters in the primary is going to shed conservative primary voters for acting like a "RINO" to win the election. (Ditto for a Democrat tacking tacking from the Left.) Trump was a bit of an aberration due to his existing name ID and plausible threat to tear things down. Other than abortion and maybe the wall, I'm having a hard time thinking of any more distinctly conservative positions Trump ran on. His main appeal wasn't due to his fidelity to conservative principles (as we see with the rapid defenestration of Liz Cheney, and her sterling conservative voting record), but his willingness to fight, even when the fight was AGAINST conservative principles, such as allowing California to set its own air quality standards as a good Federalist conservative would support.
DeSantis is pretty explicitly running on an "American Orban" platform, even if the average voter couldn't tell you who Orban is. It'll be interesting to see if the nation has an appetite for that kind of President. Traditionally, I'd say not, but these days, I suspect Americans would tolerate a good deal of strongman cronyism if the cronies brought gas prices down and had a plausible plan for reducing violent crime in our cities, and drug-related crime in our hinterlands.
I believe the air quality dispute arose because manufactures were forced to build vehicles to California specifications (a waiver from USA standards) thereby penalizing other state's consumers. Either that or give up 10% or 12% of the USA market. Of course, manufacturers were caving instead of simply letting California do without new vehicles so that, eventually, California highways would be populated with ancient vehicles (like Cuba). California's air quality problems are mostly caused by climate conditions and population density. That's true of metro-Atlanta also.
DeSantis is a take-charge guy. Somone has to fill that role. Otherwise, he is nothing like Orban. True authoritarians are found in the democrat ranks, especially governors in states like Michigan, New York, Wisconsin, California and Oregon.
You and I have a different definition of the word "force".
People and companies choose whether to serve particular markets all the time. And regardless of all of that, the Federalist thing to do is let local CA voters decide how stringent they want to regulate their air quality (even if that means some manufacturers won't participate in their market) instead of deciding that the pollution policies that govern the Wyoming hinterlands should be the law of the land in downtown LA.
I'll leave it to other Floridians to weigh in how authoritarian DeSantis is. My main reason for the Orban comparison wasn't for the authoritarian angle, but rather as a fellow who will wage a culture war first, and worry about whether he followed the rules second, in a bid to gain and maintain political power. (Which is a kind of "take charge" approach.)
I haven’t morphed into anything. I remain who I am and where I have stood my whole adult life. I certainly am not coordinating with anyone on comments. I am a Florida resident who gets to see DeSantis on my local news almost daily. I voted for him because I didn’t want Gillum and there was no alternative. I never suspected an authoritarian rule. He has hurt so many people. I am a Christian conservative and certainly have no ability to come up with viable candidates. I wish I had that power. For too many years I have watched the parties put in candidates and have prayed for true conservatives but I am not holding my breath for the next 2 elections.
DeSantis is a take charge guy who does not take a lot of crap? Many good leaders share his qualities. That does not make them authoritarians.
I have read about the Covid denial complaints and the record shows Florida to be comparable to or better than the states that imposed severe authoritarian measures. I have read the stories about kid vaccines and find nothing to indicate Florida tots cannot get the vaccines. As a matter of fact, one Florida doc said the bulk of the vaccine supply is going to waste.
Florida was the only state not to pre-order the latest vaccine for children five and under. From what I understand local governments and hospitals are ordering it themselves. He also shut off the majority of free testing but luckily our county mayor found funding to continue it here as Covid continues to be an issue. In my humble opinion there is a huge difference between take charge and take over.
In Illinois, the GOP nominated Darren Bailey, a Stop-the-Steal candidate who will very likely lose to Pritzker as he's unpalatable to the urban and suburban voters who outnumber his rural GOP #MAGA constituency. Bailey's only angle is to hammer Pritzker on the urban crime issue, but won't likely be sufficient to take him to victory.
As for the Senate race, we had a large GOP primary, and Kathy Salvi - a reasonable classical Republican - beat out the second place finisher with 29% of the vote. Peggy Hubbard - who was part of the Jan. 6th insurrection and is proud of it - only trailed Salvi by 5 points with a 25% vote share. At this point, Salvi will have to run to Illinois' centrist voters if she wants to beat Tammy Duckworth, who enjoys a net +10% approval rating in the state.
It's worth noting that Pritzker's campaign pushed Bailey as their preferred November opponent:
"Bailey’s victory was assisted in part by Pritzker and the Pritzker-backed Democratic Governors Association, with millions of dollars in ads and mailers asking Republicans if the state senator was “too conservative for Illinois.” Voters delivered an answer. Now, for the general election campaign, Pritzker and the DGA will flood voters with the slogan along with reminders of Bailey’s ties to Trump."[1]
I imagine that this pattern is playing out elsewhere as well.
[1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/elections/ct-pritzer-vs-bailey-start-of-general-election-20220629-7f2qisnmxzevpj6cqkstatyxwm-story.html
Hopefully it doesn't bet Democrats in the ass like Trump 2016 did.
The one thing I saw about Bailey was his complaint about "10% of the land dominating the other 90%". Land doesn't vote, people do - and if the majority of the people live in 10% of the land, then so it goes.
Who knew that Bailey was such a big fan of Bill Gates running everything?
"A new report on the largest holders of private farmland in the United States reveals that Bill and Melinda Gates are atop the list, with the billionaire Seattle couple amassing 242,000 acres of land."
"According to The Land Report, the Microsoft co-founder owns farmland across 18 states, with the largest holdings being in Louisiana (69,071 acres), Arkansas (47,927 acres) and Nebraska (20,588 acres). Gates also owns a stake in more than 24,800 acres of transitional land outside of Phoenix."[1]
[1] https://www.geekwire.com/2021/report-bill-gates-largest-owner-private-farmland-u-s-acreage-across-18-states/
Rofl
Yesterday we found out DeSantis made a huge power grab by getting the legislature to ignore our constitutional “ home rule”. This allows local county and city governments control over their own citizens. Starting in July 2023 my husband with have to jump thru state hoops to get a painting contractor license in Miami-Dade county. Licenses became a requirement to protect citizens from all the fraud and outright theft after hurricane Andrew. Contractor licensing is the tip of the iceberg as my tiny bit of research shows he wants to make county and city governments obsolete. He has been busy appointing judges he is sure will rule in his favor in this unprecedented power grab. He scares me for my children and grandchildren’s sake. I don’t want him re-elected as governor and I sure as heck don’t want him as president. I won’t even go into the unnecessary deaths he caused from covid denial and the fact that he refused to pre-order vaccines for kids under 5. I can only try to educate people on what he is doing and pray he is not elected to any post ever.
That's really interesting. I'll have to look into it.
Whatever it takes to turn off Republican voters. I see comments like this on six or eight political comment sites. As de Santis gains popularity, never-Trumps are morphing into never-de Santis who have no alternatives to offer. I'm sure the volume will increase dramatically by 2024.
"Never-Trumps are morphing into never-de Santis who have no alternatives to offer.
You (probably didn't) hear it here first:
Cheney / Kinzinger 2024
(Both will have plenty of free time to run come Jan. 2023.)
;-)
True, but I would vote for that ticket in a heartbeat before I would sit it out or vote for Biden/Harris. I actually like Liz although her teamwork is lacking. Unfortunately, 25% of conservative/Republican voters would not vote or would vote for a third-party loser.
I'd say that Liz's teamwork is just fine.
The question is whether her ultimate team is the Trumpist Wing of the GOP (which unfortunately is most of the GOP at this point) or the American people and she chose the latter.
We're Americans before we're Democrats/Republicans/political party of choice: too many put party over country.
I know Reagan’s eleventh commandment is long gone and hard to find. Would like to navigate the primary round without being labeled either Maga or Rino. Or Never Trump either for that matter. Don’t think I will have this wish granted. Conservatives are looking for a home. Limit the friendly fire. Conservatives that like Cheney probably are not likely to like De-Santis. Same in reverse too. It will sort out. Still early. I remember believing the Romney would have been President if more conservatives voted. Need to find conservative candidates that we all can back. we will see.
I voted for McCain and Romney and believe that both turned off way too many conservative voters. I try to avoid using the term, RINO, because absolutist conservatives use it to describe many of the politicians I view favorably.
In the case of de Santis, I have trouble believing that there is not some coordination in the dozens of adverse comments I see daily. Some of the comments come from die-hard Trump fans and others come from democrat/socialists seeking to sow discord and a few from people who resent de Santis being such a take-charge guy. I question David's cherry picking of polls to imply de Santis is losing ground although he does add that democrats usually underperform in Florida.
I think any conservative candidate that emerges from the GOP primary and tacks to the center to pick off moderate voters in the primary is going to shed conservative primary voters for acting like a "RINO" to win the election. (Ditto for a Democrat tacking tacking from the Left.) Trump was a bit of an aberration due to his existing name ID and plausible threat to tear things down. Other than abortion and maybe the wall, I'm having a hard time thinking of any more distinctly conservative positions Trump ran on. His main appeal wasn't due to his fidelity to conservative principles (as we see with the rapid defenestration of Liz Cheney, and her sterling conservative voting record), but his willingness to fight, even when the fight was AGAINST conservative principles, such as allowing California to set its own air quality standards as a good Federalist conservative would support.
DeSantis is pretty explicitly running on an "American Orban" platform, even if the average voter couldn't tell you who Orban is. It'll be interesting to see if the nation has an appetite for that kind of President. Traditionally, I'd say not, but these days, I suspect Americans would tolerate a good deal of strongman cronyism if the cronies brought gas prices down and had a plausible plan for reducing violent crime in our cities, and drug-related crime in our hinterlands.
I believe the air quality dispute arose because manufactures were forced to build vehicles to California specifications (a waiver from USA standards) thereby penalizing other state's consumers. Either that or give up 10% or 12% of the USA market. Of course, manufacturers were caving instead of simply letting California do without new vehicles so that, eventually, California highways would be populated with ancient vehicles (like Cuba). California's air quality problems are mostly caused by climate conditions and population density. That's true of metro-Atlanta also.
DeSantis is a take-charge guy. Somone has to fill that role. Otherwise, he is nothing like Orban. True authoritarians are found in the democrat ranks, especially governors in states like Michigan, New York, Wisconsin, California and Oregon.
You and I have a different definition of the word "force".
People and companies choose whether to serve particular markets all the time. And regardless of all of that, the Federalist thing to do is let local CA voters decide how stringent they want to regulate their air quality (even if that means some manufacturers won't participate in their market) instead of deciding that the pollution policies that govern the Wyoming hinterlands should be the law of the land in downtown LA.
I'll leave it to other Floridians to weigh in how authoritarian DeSantis is. My main reason for the Orban comparison wasn't for the authoritarian angle, but rather as a fellow who will wage a culture war first, and worry about whether he followed the rules second, in a bid to gain and maintain political power. (Which is a kind of "take charge" approach.)
I haven’t morphed into anything. I remain who I am and where I have stood my whole adult life. I certainly am not coordinating with anyone on comments. I am a Florida resident who gets to see DeSantis on my local news almost daily. I voted for him because I didn’t want Gillum and there was no alternative. I never suspected an authoritarian rule. He has hurt so many people. I am a Christian conservative and certainly have no ability to come up with viable candidates. I wish I had that power. For too many years I have watched the parties put in candidates and have prayed for true conservatives but I am not holding my breath for the next 2 elections.
Is the legislation in this link what you claim to be an attack on home rule?
ohttp://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0100-0199/0166/0166.htmln
If it is, I fail to see the "attack".
DeSantis is a take charge guy who does not take a lot of crap? Many good leaders share his qualities. That does not make them authoritarians.
I have read about the Covid denial complaints and the record shows Florida to be comparable to or better than the states that imposed severe authoritarian measures. I have read the stories about kid vaccines and find nothing to indicate Florida tots cannot get the vaccines. As a matter of fact, one Florida doc said the bulk of the vaccine supply is going to waste.
Florida was the only state not to pre-order the latest vaccine for children five and under. From what I understand local governments and hospitals are ordering it themselves. He also shut off the majority of free testing but luckily our county mayor found funding to continue it here as Covid continues to be an issue. In my humble opinion there is a huge difference between take charge and take over.