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Bud's avatar

This is total bullshit that you trade off of Taibbi's site. Shame on you.

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Steve Berman's avatar

Shame on Matt! We had TheRacketNews.com a year before he changed the name of his site from TK News. I'd have gladly sold him the domain but he never offered to buy it. Matt makes a ton selling hosecrap trading off a brilliant career attacking Goldman Sachs and other easy targets. He should have stuck with playing Russian professional basketball.

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

Bottom line? There will be no peace until the Prince of Peace sets up His Kingdom on earth.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

This is the future of warfare. The larger, higher-tech nations cannot be militarily defeated. The civilians will be the ones who pay the price.

If Hamas will not disband or guarantee to end the attacks on Israel, the USA should support Israel in a takeover of Gaza. The Israelis will do the fighting. The civilians will suffer. I fail to see the need to allow a brutal terrorist enclave to exist on any nation's border. Palestine is not a nation and never has been.

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SGman's avatar

So having one's government overthrown by a coup d'etat (which is what Hamas's takeover of Gaza was) means that the people no longer deserve their own state and self-determination? That sounds dumb as hell.

A good reminder: Hamas doesn't want a two-state solution either, making it a good slap in the face for them.

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Steve Berman's avatar

If you claim Hamas is a legitimate government of a sovereign state that deserves an army and recognition by foreign powers then you can’t simultaneously claim it has no agency or responsibility to care for its people. Many people claim both things at once and tacitly also agree with the Brotherhood’s goal to eliminate Israel and Jews.

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SGman's avatar
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I claim Hamas is not the legitimate government, because they took power via a coup d’etat.

There's more to being a recognized sovereign state than the ability to raise an army. And lack of statehood does not stop armies from being raised and wars from being waged.

And part of all this comes down to both Israel and Palestine recognizing each other and their respective rights to exist in peace. Hamas is a roadblock, as is at least part of the Israeli government.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Hamas won an election against another faction that was also engaged in a conflict with Israel. That was not a coup. It was an intensification of the Gazan population's hate for Israel and Jews. Why is such a brutal terrorist group allowed to exist?

What would happen if Karen Bass assembled an army of 200,000 illegal immigrant thugs and, with a lot of support from the general population, began demonstrating against the federal government with chants of: "From Simi Valley to the sea, Angelenos shall be free"? And then began firing thousands of cheap homemade missiles at San Diego Naval Base, Camp Pendelton and Edwards AFB. And then staged regular terroristic attacks against the few conservative neighborhoods in Southern California.

That's the way I view Gaza. They have no more legal standing than right-wing or left-wing separatist groups in the USA. They might could become a UN protectorate except the UN is truly anti-Israel.

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SGman's avatar

They won a majority of seats then performed a coup d'etat and took total control. They captured and killed off their rivals, many by throwing them off the roof of tall buildings. There hasn't been an election since.

Just because a violent political group seizes power does not remove the rights of the people who they themselves are subjugating.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Sounds to me like if the Gazans are subjugated by a violent terrorist group, they would be far better off under an Israeli government. Of course, most of the subjugated Gazans are themselves violent terrorists. They would have to deal with the Israeli justice system.

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SGman's avatar

Israel doesn't want them, and they don't want Israel. Better to have two states, with each respecting their respective sovereignty.

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Steve Berman's avatar

There’s the tricky part. Hamas will not even recognize Israel.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Nearly all Gazan adults hate Israel and the Jews. They turn their children into acolytes. Israel should take over the territory ASAP. Otherwise, nothing will change in another seven decades.

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SGman's avatar

Meanwhile, the Trump Admin reportedly has approved Israel's annexation of Palestinian territory.

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Steve Berman's avatar

The U.S. has no power or authority to approve or deny what Israel does. Plus, Israel has not formally moved to annex Gaza. It’s political stagecraft.

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SGman's avatar

Oh please: you know as well as I do that the threat of repercussions from the US matters, and is one reason why Netanyahu and the Israeli far-right preferred Trump over both Biden and Harris. Trump gives them the ability to speak frankly about their desires to annex Gaza and the West Bank - Netanyahu did so the other day, as did other Israeli lawmakers.

That's rhetoric and policy, not stagecraft.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Good idea. I saw a news feed today that reported Canada was considering recognizing Palestine. Just what we need, our frozen north neighbors issuing visas to Hamas on our northern border.

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