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I've been convinced that this ship sailed with John Roberts' immunity ruling. If the pardon power is unreviewable by SCOTUS and the legislature, OF COURSE Trump will use it to immunize those working for him who might run afoul of the laws on the books.

Here's his Vice President:

"'Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,' Mr. Vance said on a podcast."

"He continued."

"'Then when the courts stop you, stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did,' Mr. Vance said, citing a (possibly apocryphal) quotation long attributed to America’s seventh president, 'and say: ‘The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’'"

"In his U-turning path from anti-Trump author to MAGA-approved Ohio senator and running mate, Mr. Vance has developed a reputation for being ideologically pliable — open-minded, supporters say; core-less, critics counter."

"But he has been unswerving in recent years in his assessment of how Republicans should carry themselves when they win: Use every available lever of state, even if that means testing the bounds of the constitutional system."[1]

The advantage of a pre-emptive pardon over nakedly ignoring a SCOTUS ruling is that it gives cover to folks in the legislature to throw up their hands, express disapproval, but do nothing as Presidents have the pardon power, not Congress.

Not only are we getting blanket pardons for everyone who worked in the Trump administration (or at least for the folks that part on good terms) this cycle, we're also going to finally get the self-pardon, as Trump clears himself from any remaining legal liability, should he live longer than his tenure in office.

Again, the fault for this isn't Joe Biden, or even Donald Trump. It's John Roberts and his refusal to lead the judicial branch of the gov't as a co-equal part of our system, zealously guarding its power by holding the other two branches in check.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/us/politics/jd-vance-donald-trump-2024-campaign.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fU4.pLt0.HSYVgMtQWRQW&smid=url-share

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SGman's avatar

Not going to talk about pardons but something else that bothers me (still related to this article):

Similar to the "elections are only valid if the GOP wins" is "prosecutions involving politicians are only valid if brought by the GOP".

This article plays into that a bit, not on the elections side of things but on how any attempt to have held Trump accountable - no matter how deserved - is ultimately political in nature and thus challenges the validity of the prosecution.

This itself is part of our problem, and we have to get over the idea of charging politicians with crimes as being unusual - especially when such crimes are blatant.

It's a damn shame that so many buy into this standard.

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