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Chris J. Karr's avatar

This idea that Ukraine is a vassal state to the US doesn't really hold water.

The US isn't pushing Ukraine into resisting the Russian invasion - the Ukrainians are. If the Ukrainians decided that they'd rather join the Russian sphere of influence (and not the Western one), the US won't stop them.

The US isn't telling Ukrainians what they can and cannot do with weapons acquired elsewhere. It's just telling them that they won't sell them missiles that will be used to attack Moscow. Furthermore, the US isn't restricting Ukraine from finding or building armaments without the strings attached. Calling Ukraine a US vassal while we supply them as THEY hold off a foreign invader would be like declaring the UK a US vassal during the Lend-Lease Act era in WWII.

As for how the endgame will play out, I'd advise keeping your powder dry on that one. Who had Ukraine invading and successfully taking out Russian ammo depots on their 2024 Bingo card? For all we know, the endgame might be Ukraine surrendering the mine-infested Donbas to the Russians, severing the Kerch Bridge from Russia to Crimea, and letting the Russian Crimeans thirst to death. In exchange for the Donbas, is it outside the realm of consideration that Ukraine might annex a similar amount of Russian territory to make up for that loss?

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SGman's avatar

I think part of the issue with the administration's handling of the conflict is due to the personnel that were in-place: they believed Kiev would fall, and Ukraine would be made a vassal of Russia. They were wrong, but they are still in-place - and their worldview is reliant on Russia being what they are and maintaining their position in the world. So "Russia losing" is not part of their acceptable outcomes. This isn't necessarily what Biden or Harris want, but likely why the "red lines" are such a concern.

They've also forgotten that the way to deal with nuclear sabre-rattling is M.A.D. During the Cold War we didn't surrender to such threats: we need to remember how to deal with them.

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