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Steve Berman's avatar

As Trump said - sometimes revenge can be justified. I think he was quoting the Bible or something. He found it in the Constitution too.

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Steve Cheung's avatar

Excellent piece. Nice point that a banana republic would’ve been one where trump would never have been charged.

No surprise that terminal idiots like MTG would love nothing more than a banana republic, but only “one for me and not for thee”.

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Bill Pearson's avatar

"MTG is not upset that the US is a banana republic but that it isn’t." Amen to this line David. The caveat is, as your article further explained, much of the maga-movement wants the strong-man to simply have full and total control.

The killer on the right can be witnessed in their efforts to convict the "Biden crime family." For two year plus, jordan/comer have made a mockery of judicial hearings and laughable witnesses who at best were clueless. Justice indeed.

This isn't about both sides being blind or corrupt. This is about one side having sold their soul to trump and can't figure out how to cut the chord. They can't, they won't and consequently they continue to allow him to corrupt everything they ever believed in.

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glancep's avatar

Thank you, Bill. I love reading David's posts, but his reflex too often is to fall back on "both sides" while only providing evidence for one side.

> The gridlock fuels fantasies of authoritarian strongmen on both sides of the political aisle, but both sides only see it as problematic when the other side does it.

Which authoritarian strongman is the left pining for?? I assure you, it ain't Biden! (and I say this as someone who will happily vote for Biden come November).

Does the left have its excesses? No doubt, and what political party doesn't? But is there any "serious" people on the left with any real political power who is pushing for authoritarianism?? Maybe I'm blind to it, but I just don't see it!

David: I get that you're conservative, and I don't hold that against you. I appreciate that you're part of the coalition who views Trump and MAGA as a clear danger to our nation. But can you bring yourself to call out Trump and his acolytes without saying the left has the same problem? Even where there may be some truth to a "both sides" position, the comparison falls apart on scale (or intent). And please know: I intend this as constructive criticism. I love reading your work!

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SGman's avatar

Both MAGA and the far left want dictators: those that will be benevolent towards their preferred in-groups and brutal against their perceived enemies, which will be anyone/everyone as adherence to the whims of said controlling minority are violated.

The normie center alliance can keep both groups out of power: hopefully it can also work together to bring about a healthier political environment overall.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Hope so

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SGman's avatar

It can. Whether it will is another thing entirely.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Wish we could hold November elections now and find out.

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SGman's avatar

I don't think enough people have been paying attention at this point: those of us that are terminally online or politically involved have, but there's so many that have not.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

You have joined the leftists in changing the language in an attempt to make your opinion viable.

From On-line Dictionary, invasion means: "an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity". "an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain".

MAGA is an acronym for "Make America Great Again". That's not an evil slogan - it's a phrase used by patriots who think America could be better if some of the current trends were reversed.

You infer a lot from Trump's campaign blather and the fringe right wing's rants but forget the guy who really viewed the constitution as an obstruction to his desire to fundamentally change America. Obama's disciple and Mr. Trump are both flawed candidates. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are far more likely to do serious permanent damage to the nation than Trump ever would.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Trump wing has chased me from that party. The trash coming out of MAGA tarnished the meaning of patriot. I will vote conservative candidates that promote conservative policies. Nominate a candidate I can vote for and I would. Presidential race this time is C- vs. F candidate. Just depends on which you consider which.

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glancep's avatar

Good response, Jay. I (as a liberal) can understand why you would grade Biden as a C-. I disagree, and that's fine. I appreciate that you can give a sober judgment on the matter, though, and recognize which of the two is the greater danger to the nation. There are WAY too many (and I'm happy to name names) on the right that will acknowledge Trump's unfitness for office, and in the next breath refuse to vote for Biden. Or worse yet, say they'll still vote for Trump. We've gotten to a place where too many on the right have been convinced--not that Democrats just disagree with them on policy--that the left hates the country and is actively seeking American decline. This is infuriating, and frankly it's intellectually lazy. It's super easy to say the other side is morally bankrupt and wants to destroy our way of life ... but it's dishonest, nonconstructive, and just fuels division. OK, sorry that struck a nerve for me.

Anyway, my assumption is that you were grading Trump with an F. If that's not the case, then we don't acknowledge enough of the same reality to even discuss further!

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

True. Depends on personal opinion although I'm not sure what C- vs. F candidate means. I assume you are giving them letter grades.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Yup, a school grade.

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David Thornton's avatar

I didn't vote for Obama. I won't vote for Trump for many of the same reasons. They are more alike that many care to admit.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Great. You just left out the part about Biden being no different than Obama except in awareness.

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

And they already have, although David Thornton seemingly cannot be convinced.

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