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On the debate, here's what I posted over at Facebook (if we're not getting a post on that):

Some quick debate thoughts. (I caught it after a special showing of "The Birthday", starring Corey Feldman at the local Alamo. That film is BONKERS in all the best ways.)

1. I was pleasantly surprised by the debate and both debaters. I fully expected Vance to come in as a full-blown Chaos Monkey, and instead got a guy with a normal temperament that reminded me of the time before he went full Sith.

2. Tim Walz did an excellent job once he chilled out and showed a command of the issues (heavily drawing upon his time as MN governor) that I would have ZERO issues with him second in line to the presidency. (I actually wouldn't mind if he were at the top of the Democratic ticket this time.)

3. As for "who won", I think this was largely a draw. I think that will be the conclusion of a lot of folks, if only for how *normal* this debate seemed, in a sea of years of *abnormal* politics.

4. I'm skeptical that Vance's pivot to "censorship" was an effective non-answer to the question of whether Trump won in 2020, BUT I suspect there are few voters left who would be convinced one way or the other.

5. When Vance was criticizing the MN law on "late term abortions", Walz repeated what Vance was saying wasn't the actual law (OK), but I was left hanging waiting for Walz to explain WHAT the actual law was (NOT OK).

6. Walz was a VERY effective spokesman for saner firearm laws. It's nice to have someone who's been a hunter and sportsman remind viewers that the NRA once filled a valuable role in providing local firearm education before it decided to focus on politics at the expense of the education it provided.

7. I thought that Vance turned in a decent performance tonight, and have to wonder what actual populists thought of the performance. If I were in their shoes, I'd be rooting for Vance to be running things instead of Trump, AND without all the Trump baggage.

Populists made a grave political error in backing Trump instead of pulling a guy like Vance off the bench. It would be like Democrats doubling down on Gore after 2000, and having Obama yoked to Gore and his issues (admittedly, MANY fewer issues than Trump), instead of having Obama emerge organically in 2008, free to to be his best self and NOT tethered to any of the existing Democratic dynasties.

I'll be interested to see whether Vance can learn from this debate and begins to turn the conservative populist energy away from hating on immigrants (as Trump seems determined to triple-down on) and more towards topics he discussed well, such as caring for the full life of children instead of just myopically focusing on outlawing abortion. I wouldn't put any money on that happening, but it is an available path for the GOP and the populists that run it that branches away from the grievance politics tar pit they seem determined to stay stuck in.

8. Overall, a surprisingly pleasant debate. I doubt that it moves any needles (Vance's Jan. 6 non-answer is an instant disqualifier for me), but it was a nice peek into a world where we get back to normal politics once again.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Seems like you are correct on Mideast status quo changed. Not going to undue last year. Israel appears to be on decapitation strategy concerning terror organizations.

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