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John R Moffett's avatar

I did not see anything in your post about the core of the problems you discuss. The extreme wealth accumulation in the west has put some very nasty people in positions of unchallengeable power and influence. They can own think tanks and news outlets, bribe politicians and anyone else, and can corrupt almost any part of our system for their own ends. Much of the conspiracy mongering comes from those working for the wealthy elites, and almost all of the social division comes from that source via the Red and Blue Team news outlets that fan the flames of hatred. Unless you are willing to talk about the source of our problems, you will never find any answers.

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Jay Berman's avatar

Sounds vaguely like another conspiracy theory. Always bad actors out there. Some are wealthy and many are not. So what is your cure for it all?

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John R Moffett's avatar

Bring back the tax rates during Eisenhower, which was 91% for the top bracket. It prevented people from buying up every news outlet and buying off every politician. It made sure that there weren't hundreds of think tanks funded by wealthy people. We had a much more stable and boring economy. I have been around long enough to know. People call everything they don't like a conspiracy theory. Remember that the term conspiracy theory was invented by the CIA to deflect attention after the JFK assassination. When you use the term, you should at least know its origins.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

My creds as a RWNJ are really slipping. I never heard of Cernovich and still have not met a single QAnon practitioner. I have heard of Donald Trump and I did watch the destruction of cities by left-wing mobs on TV, but I do not think Mr. Trump was responsible for those mobs.

I do not know if the person responsible for the Nashville bombing was a conspiracy nut but he was a nut. Here's what the Tennessean published a year afterward.

"In March, FBI investigators said the bombing was not an act of terrorism.

The FBI reported Warner acted alone and his intention to kill himself was driven by "life stressors," including "paranoia," "eccentric" beliefs and "deteriorating interpersonal relationships.""

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Steve Berman's avatar

Just to add here: there is a material difference between radicalizing people into nuttery and attracting people who already practice it by offering them validation and bias confirmation. Being the radicalizing force is much worse than being simply hauling trash in your wake. Most cases of nut picking focus on combing through the trash, not establishing strong causal connections with radical behavior, though they in their rhetoric act like wet pavement causes the rain.

It does amaze me how logic rears it’s ugly head when the nut pickers go after their side of the political fence (on both sides). No True Scotsman is a alive and kicking in the Fallacy department.

True nuts end up tragedies regardless of their politics.

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David Thornton's avatar

This is from the FBI assessment of the Nashville bombing:

“ the FBI assesses Warner’s detonation of the improvised explosive device was an intentional act in an effort to end his own life, driven in part by a totality of life stressors – including paranoia, long-held individualized beliefs adopted from several eccentric conspiracy theories, and the loss of stabilizing anchors and deteriorating interpersonal relationships.”

One of my neighbors has a prominent “Q” sticker on their car and flies the American flag upside down at their gate.

I’ve also run into quite a few people who espouse parts of the Q ideology without explicitly mentioning it. For example, people who talk about pedophiles being a significant problem among politicians and celebrities are probably dabbling in QAnon.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Maybe I'm not observant enough but I haven't ever seen a Q sticker. I have never seen an American flag flown upside down. I will try to pay more attention but I'm pretty sure I will never dig deep enough into obscure writings and reports to learn much about the far fringes.

All I know about pedophiles is what I read about Epstein and a pair of perverts in Georgia who, last I heard, were housed in a jail about twelve miles from my home.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/07/georgia-couple-william-zulock-zachary-zulock-charged-with-using-their-adopted-children-to-make-child-porn/

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