I don't like comparing the more left leaning democrats to Trump. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Bernie Sanders isn't Trump he just thinks rich people are bad(besides himself) and that government is the key to everything. At least his resides in a factual universe and not a fantasy land.
I personally think the dems are going to lose the house in 2022 and gain seats in the senate. The reason isn't because of moderates. It will be because of frustration making democrats not want to vote. Most of the left wing press and base thought that when they won those 2 senate seats that they would get everything they wanted, and now its clear that they can't even protect voting rights or hold people accountable for Jan. 6th. There will be races in the house lost because people will just think why bother its not like they will get 60 senate seats.
How well the GOP does in the midterms is entirely dependent on getting Trump off the stage. I don't think his rallies will be a problem but he is a problem. The GOP wins midterms in the burbs. They care about law and order, the schools, and the economy. The do not like Trump as we have seen ever since he became president. The midterms favor the party who can get their regular constant voters to the polls. That pretty much defines the burbs who are inclined to vote for the GOP repubs but not Trump.
This is an amazingly un-conservative statement. Remember the ol' line "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"?
Post-2012 there was an autopsy by the GOP on what they needed to do to attract voters. The GOP ignored it. We got Trump and more partisan gridlock.
David has been stating what he wants from a better brand of Conservatism ('cause right now, there's little conservative about American Conservatism). Perhaps this is an opportunity for a more comprehensive write-up, though.
You will never get a conservative democrat. If there are alternatives meeting your and David's definition of conservativism that appeal to the current Republican base, we need to know who the candidates are and what their policies would be. Right now you are just spitting into the wind.
Republican ≠ conservative. You forget that it was the Democrats that were the historic conservative party, and Republicans the progressives.
Start focusing on your principles and which party really embodies them, rather than fitting your principles to the party - or worse yet, reflexively changing your principles based on what the Democratic party is doing.
Republican is not necessarily conservative. Never said it was. All I'm saying is that a conservative will never be elected without the vote of the Republican base.
What kind of conservative? Social, fiscal, something else?
Considering the Republican base isn't conservative, and the Democratic party's conservative wing won the primary and general election - yeah, I'm gonna say a rather conservative person can be elected without the Republican base (whatever that is at this point).
I don't like comparing the more left leaning democrats to Trump. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Bernie Sanders isn't Trump he just thinks rich people are bad(besides himself) and that government is the key to everything. At least his resides in a factual universe and not a fantasy land.
I personally think the dems are going to lose the house in 2022 and gain seats in the senate. The reason isn't because of moderates. It will be because of frustration making democrats not want to vote. Most of the left wing press and base thought that when they won those 2 senate seats that they would get everything they wanted, and now its clear that they can't even protect voting rights or hold people accountable for Jan. 6th. There will be races in the house lost because people will just think why bother its not like they will get 60 senate seats.
It’s definitely not a perfect comparison. All comparisons break down at some point, but the outsider dynamic is similar.
How well the GOP does in the midterms is entirely dependent on getting Trump off the stage. I don't think his rallies will be a problem but he is a problem. The GOP wins midterms in the burbs. They care about law and order, the schools, and the economy. The do not like Trump as we have seen ever since he became president. The midterms favor the party who can get their regular constant voters to the polls. That pretty much defines the burbs who are inclined to vote for the GOP repubs but not Trump.
If you think you have a better brand of conservatism, it's time to start defining who and what it is instead of whining about the past.
This is an amazingly un-conservative statement. Remember the ol' line "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"?
Post-2012 there was an autopsy by the GOP on what they needed to do to attract voters. The GOP ignored it. We got Trump and more partisan gridlock.
David has been stating what he wants from a better brand of Conservatism ('cause right now, there's little conservative about American Conservatism). Perhaps this is an opportunity for a more comprehensive write-up, though.
You will never get a conservative democrat. If there are alternatives meeting your and David's definition of conservativism that appeal to the current Republican base, we need to know who the candidates are and what their policies would be. Right now you are just spitting into the wind.
Republican ≠ conservative. You forget that it was the Democrats that were the historic conservative party, and Republicans the progressives.
Start focusing on your principles and which party really embodies them, rather than fitting your principles to the party - or worse yet, reflexively changing your principles based on what the Democratic party is doing.
The last 110 years of history. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Obama & Joe. Conservatives?
Woo, extremely selective examples yet again.
I said the party, not the POTUS.
Republican is not necessarily conservative. Never said it was. All I'm saying is that a conservative will never be elected without the vote of the Republican base.
What kind of conservative? Social, fiscal, something else?
Considering the Republican base isn't conservative, and the Democratic party's conservative wing won the primary and general election - yeah, I'm gonna say a rather conservative person can be elected without the Republican base (whatever that is at this point).
I think you meant "less socialist wing of the democrat party". They are certainly not conservative.
Okay. If Joe and Kamala are conservative enough for you, enjoy. Live long and prosper.