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Bill Pearson's avatar

I have no need, no burning desire to rub my neighbors nose in the fact trump got his ass kicked in 2020 by "old man, Biden." That's what those old decaying flags and lawn signs are doing, Insulting everyone who isn't a trumper. I may or may not get a Harris sign as the election nears. And, irrespective what happens when the dust clears, i will take it down.

Why the flock would anyone want to do that in the community they live in? Seriously?

I watched a CNN special Sunday night where they interviewed really active trump fanatics. Folks who made it their mission to get him elected. I try not to be judgemental, but good Lord, are these people even close to being normal? I won't call them deplorable, but what on earth fuels folks who believe in one conspiracy after the next?

I have my bias; you, Steve, Jay and Merrie are all right leaning folks who supported your republican party (Jay may have always been an independent), but your roots clearly are different than mine. The litmus test is pretty simple: It's breaks down this easily; was the 2020 election stolen? Did illegals vote? Did voting machines change votes? Were democratic operators carrying suitcases full of ballots into the counting rooms?

The answers to those questions have been answered dozens/hundreds of times by people way smarter than me. People/politicians that do this for a living, many of them with an "R" designation. If one is unable to admit the most basic of truth's, why bother with any other question that will be far more difficult to sort through with folks who have a had a trump brain fart and are trapped in its fog?

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Jay Berman's avatar

Short answer is that I agree that if you are of MAGA mind for the questions you stated, then I do not need to go further. As a voter I have taken advantage of NH unenrolled status and have always taken the primary ballot that interested me most. Increasingly the last 20 plus years that had leaned GOP. Going forward I will not vote for conspiracy spouting candidates regardless of their policy detail.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

My conspiracy theory is that the CNN interviews you watched were very selectively chosen.

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Bill Pearson's avatar

I've seen some of those Curtis where they trot out the oddballs at a rally, and discount them for what they are. This one was different, giving Mike Lindell a fairly long segment and using an interviewer who knew some of those he spoke with. By all accounts these were perfectly normal looking people who only became weird once they opened their mouths and started with the conspiracy theory crap. It always breaks down because there is not a scintilla of proof Their rationale is trump said it so it must be true. Hell, even he knows he lost but his ego won't allow him to say it.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

I'm sure there are enough normal people to get a representative sample to interview with just a little desire and effort.

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Bill Pearson's avatar

After reading comments, my reaction was simple: and this is why we can't have nice things. Not to pick on Steve and Cameron, because differences of opinion are what makes for good politics. But, and i mean a really big butt, trump has made any concept of truth a non-starter.

I know, i know, all politicians lie. In trump's case, it is the constant drumbeat of bullshit and hyperbole that his followers eat up. Then they come on sites like this and repeat it. First it was the Harris's crowds were AI generated, then it was mirrored reflections proving her arrival was photo shopped. Really guys, there were real live people with real life reporters at those events.

Then we saw the comments about Kamala's positions. They were twisted and stretched to the furthest extreme and had no semblance to what she was campaigning on. If you don't like her policies, say so, but quit making shit up that isn't even close to being true.

Curious here: Anyone catch the musk/trump act on X. I've read some reviews and they weren't very kind.

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Steve Cheung's avatar

Right on to describe the import tariff as a 10% tax on Americans. Cuz that’s exactly what it is.

The silent Harris supporter this time is probably akin to the silent trump voter in 2016. Few admitted to pollsters to wanting to vote for trump….they just did.

And of course, using the “I don’t know anyone who voted for the other person” metric is only fit for those with their heads firmly up their backsides. But as Richard Hanania has laid out, sometimes some within the conservative cohort aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Kamala Harris and Helen, Georgia are both high on my list of least favorite things. Kamala will probably win because of Trump hate if she can maintain democrat enthusiasm. That would certainly move us closer to a socialist, nanny-state government.

Helen is an example of the worst aspects of capitalism. It was a peaceful place about 20 miles from my hometown where I could spend half a day trout fishing and then have a beer and a cheeseburger at the Chattahoochee Grill before heading home. Then a developer got the idea of remodeling it as a faux, cheap imitation of an Alpine village that only got worse as it grew and aged. The Chattahoochee Grill burned (typical for small businesses in developing areas) and getting to the river and tributaries for fishing was nearly impossible. Tourist trap is an apt description. More recently, I spent eight hours a week there during several tax season assisting seniors and low-income individuals with their state and federal tax returns. The few natives remaining were generally low paid hospitality workers. Most of the others were somewhat unpleasant individuals who relocated from elsewhere, quite a few from Europe and a surprising number from New York.

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

Harris is also a supporter of that 10 percent tax you cite, because the majority of Trump's tariffs are still in place under Biden/Harris. Harris is a supporter of decimating the 2nd amendment and a supporter of abortion up to and including birth. And Harris has also shown no ability to be trusted with power, as she was the border czar, and did nothing to mitigate the situation in 3 and one half years. So, your reasons for supporting Harris don't add up, David.

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David Thornton's avatar

To the extent that Harris opposes the Second Amendment and supports abortion, I expect her to be blocked by Congress and the courts. I’ll note that Biden has done neither during his term.

Biden (and possibly Harris) are more pro -tariff than I would like (a traditionally Democratic protectionist position) but not to the extent of Trump’s across-the-board 10% tax.

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SGman's avatar

I've seen him say as high as 25% depending too

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Cooter's avatar

If...Trump is elected, why can't the same Congress and courts block him if he abuses executive authority?

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glancep's avatar

I'll assume this is a legitimate question (despite it feeling obvious). For one thing, if Trump is reelected, there's a pretty high probability that the Rs will control both chambers of congress, too. And the Rs have very plainly shown little-to-no desire in blocking him. Likewise (but to a slightly lesser degree) the Supreme Court.

Even with a majority house/senate for the Ds, there are more moderate members who have shown perfect willingness to buck their own party's president (the most obvious cases being Sinema and Manchin).

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Bill Pearson's avatar

Wow. Funny, i have never read or heard Harris's positions stated as you just did. Fox or Newsmax as your choice of information gathering?

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

Try the Democrat debates in 2016

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

Not to mention the numerous times Kamala has said she supports codifying Roe v. Wade as national law just lately

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Kim's avatar

What is abortion “up to birth”? I keep reading that. If a child is “born” then what you claim as abortion would be murder.

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

Abortion IS murder, no matter the trimester.

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Kim's avatar

You did not answer my question. Other than Kermit Gosnell can you point me to abortion up to birth advocates?

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SGman's avatar

Trump wants to enact a new across-the-board tariff on all imports, not targeted at any particular country or industry. That's not the status quo.

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Tommy Truthteller's avatar

Wow. Every one of your 3 assertions is not only a lie, but a Trump/Vance talking point. If you need to go that far, if you don’t have any criticism of the real Harris positions or of her actual background, well maybe you're trying to hide (from yourself?!) the fact that you dislike her for symbolic reasons--perhaps because she's not male or white.

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Cameron Sprow's avatar

You should change your moniker, because you aren't telling the truth about Kamala.

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Steve's avatar

If you believe that the airport photo of a big crowd for Kamala is real, then there’s not much to tell you. Except TDS is incurable, enjoy.

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David Thornton's avatar

Typo maybe? There are multiple photos and videos of the crowd from different sources and angles.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/12/us/elections/trump-harris-detroit-rally.html)

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SGman's avatar

And of course, many of the images are using zoom from very far away within the hangar - while the plane is something like 100 yards away from the crowd. It's a perspective thing, sorta like someone zooming in on the moon when it's low on the horizon - making it look enormous.

TDS runs both pro- and anti-, with Steve giving a good example of pro-TDS.

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