Great read, Steve. I had never heard this practice as a specifically titled strategy. Takes more thought and effort. And risk, if you are actually engaging with their ideas, honestly.
Important note: the signs were out up by Wayne County on a county road, not by Dearborn or Dearborn Heights on a city road.
Population of Dearborn Heights is ~61k
Population of Dearborn is ~106k
Population of Wayne County is 1.77mil, with ~50 being White and 40% being Black/African-American.
A lot of (digital) ink being used for what amounts to small cities that don't really matter much, except for those that want to fear-monger about Islam and Muslims.
I do agree that saying someone is unwelcome is un-American, though we should then note how often that has actually been the case (anti-Catholic sentiment against the Irish, the anti-Mormon sentiment that lead to their migration to Utah, and of course anti-Muslim sentiment that still leads to communities fighting against the building of a mosque).
While not everything is a national issue, wrong is wrong. It’s wrong to submit to theocracy or a religious system that seeks to exercise political control. It’s wrong to honor terrorists. It’s wrong if it’s a statue of Robert E. Lee or a street named in honor of an Islamic terrorist. So it doesn’t matter how small the community, it’s wrong.
Few men wore both blue and gray as Joseph Wheeler did. Born in Augusta, Wheeler graduated from West Point in 1859—near the bottom of his class, but with a fiery determination that would define his career. Nicknamed “Fighting Joe” while serving in the U.S. Army on the western frontier, he would soon make his name on the opposite side of the battlefield.
When the Civil War broke out, Wheeler joined the Confederacy and became one of its most celebrated cavalry commanders. Fearless in the saddle, he fought in more than 200 engagements and had sixteen horses shot out from under him. By October 1862, he was a brigadier general, leading Confederate cavalry with a blend of daring raids and relentless pursuit that earned the respect of both friend and foe.
After the war, Wheeler turned to politics, representing Alabama in Congress for nearly two decades as a staunch Democrat. Yet when war came again in 1898, he donned the U.S. uniform once more—this time as a major general in the Spanish–American War. Wheeler commanded cavalry forces in Cuba, fighting at Las Guasimas and San Juan Hill alongside Theodore Roosevelt’s Rough Riders, and later campaigned in the Philippines against Emilio Aguinaldo’s forces.
At his death in 1906, Wheeler was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, one of only two Confederate generals honored there. His life, straddling both the Stars and Stripes and the Stars and Bars, became a symbol of national reunion—proof that even the bloodiest of divisions could give way to unity.
Joseph “Fighting Joe” Wheeler, Georgia-born soldier, statesman, and symbol of reconciliation, entered the world on this day in 1836.
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Georgia on My Mind curated by Lisa Land Cooper – Author and Historian"
Thanks to Lisa. I read a lot of her posts. They are not presented in a partisan fashion. Best of all they are in small doses. I could not read 300 pages of history.
Firstly, we're not talking theocracy to my knowledge because the relevant laws have not been written to create said theocracy. What there is is a noise ordinances violation that needs to be enforced, and that's ultimately something that can and should be worked through the courts.
Osama Siblani has lived in the US since 1976 and is a newspaper publisher (founder of The Arab American News). He's exercising his right to free speech, and yes is very much pro-Palestinian. But that's not terrorism, so be careful on how you speak about it too.
And really, that's no bearing on the point that it was the county that put up that sign - not the city. So again: what is your point about the city?
They’re not okay. But use the same standard on government getting cozy with Christianity as you do with Islam. Islam is a different system than Christianity. Objectively it calls for government control. Christianity rejects that. We must recognize that difference.
That's just BS: people are individuals, and there are Christians that die want government control. ‘cause every individual interprets their religious beliefs themselves and ultimately picks and chooses what they choose to believe from their own often-contradictory texts. Many of the Muslims that have come to the US were escaping their own persecution too, and also approach life from a secular standpoint.
I apply the same guidelines for religion and government that we all should: keep ‘em entirely separate. You say you do, but then show you don't.
So let me know when Dearborn or Dearborn Heights starts sounding calls to prayer by the city. Then we have something to talk about.
Meanwhile we can talk about actual attempts to enact theocratic government here by say disallowing prayers or displays in public meetings/areas by those other than Christians.
And because I just recalled this part: why are "blue" laws OK? Forcing business closures on Sunday is itself a form of theocracy, IMO - though SCOTUS somehow found them to be secular...
A day of rest is logical, and a common day of rest makes enforcement easier. I believe that is the basis for secularism. Unfortunately, no one day would satisfy everyone and there are so many exceptions "a day of rest" is meaningless. The matter should be left to enforcement of the wage/hour laws.
Great read, Steve. I had never heard this practice as a specifically titled strategy. Takes more thought and effort. And risk, if you are actually engaging with their ideas, honestly.
Important note: the signs were out up by Wayne County on a county road, not by Dearborn or Dearborn Heights on a city road.
Population of Dearborn Heights is ~61k
Population of Dearborn is ~106k
Population of Wayne County is 1.77mil, with ~50 being White and 40% being Black/African-American.
A lot of (digital) ink being used for what amounts to small cities that don't really matter much, except for those that want to fear-monger about Islam and Muslims.
I do agree that saying someone is unwelcome is un-American, though we should then note how often that has actually been the case (anti-Catholic sentiment against the Irish, the anti-Mormon sentiment that lead to their migration to Utah, and of course anti-Muslim sentiment that still leads to communities fighting against the building of a mosque).
First point: agreed. But it shouldn’t matter how small. Second point: agreed we spend far too much time chumming the water for rage bait.
It's just good to have some perspective here - and when you say it shouldn't matter how small, what do you mean exactly?
While not everything is a national issue, wrong is wrong. It’s wrong to submit to theocracy or a religious system that seeks to exercise political control. It’s wrong to honor terrorists. It’s wrong if it’s a statue of Robert E. Lee or a street named in honor of an Islamic terrorist. So it doesn’t matter how small the community, it’s wrong.
Sometimes grudges can be held too long.
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"Today in Georgia History – September 10, 1836
Few men wore both blue and gray as Joseph Wheeler did. Born in Augusta, Wheeler graduated from West Point in 1859—near the bottom of his class, but with a fiery determination that would define his career. Nicknamed “Fighting Joe” while serving in the U.S. Army on the western frontier, he would soon make his name on the opposite side of the battlefield.
When the Civil War broke out, Wheeler joined the Confederacy and became one of its most celebrated cavalry commanders. Fearless in the saddle, he fought in more than 200 engagements and had sixteen horses shot out from under him. By October 1862, he was a brigadier general, leading Confederate cavalry with a blend of daring raids and relentless pursuit that earned the respect of both friend and foe.
After the war, Wheeler turned to politics, representing Alabama in Congress for nearly two decades as a staunch Democrat. Yet when war came again in 1898, he donned the U.S. uniform once more—this time as a major general in the Spanish–American War. Wheeler commanded cavalry forces in Cuba, fighting at Las Guasimas and San Juan Hill alongside Theodore Roosevelt’s Rough Riders, and later campaigned in the Philippines against Emilio Aguinaldo’s forces.
At his death in 1906, Wheeler was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, one of only two Confederate generals honored there. His life, straddling both the Stars and Stripes and the Stars and Bars, became a symbol of national reunion—proof that even the bloodiest of divisions could give way to unity.
Joseph “Fighting Joe” Wheeler, Georgia-born soldier, statesman, and symbol of reconciliation, entered the world on this day in 1836.
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Georgia on My Mind curated by Lisa Land Cooper – Author and Historian"
Curtis, what a great piece of history!
Thanks to Lisa. I read a lot of her posts. They are not presented in a partisan fashion. Best of all they are in small doses. I could not read 300 pages of history.
Firstly, we're not talking theocracy to my knowledge because the relevant laws have not been written to create said theocracy. What there is is a noise ordinances violation that needs to be enforced, and that's ultimately something that can and should be worked through the courts.
Osama Siblani has lived in the US since 1976 and is a newspaper publisher (founder of The Arab American News). He's exercising his right to free speech, and yes is very much pro-Palestinian. But that's not terrorism, so be careful on how you speak about it too.
And really, that's no bearing on the point that it was the county that put up that sign - not the city. So again: what is your point about the city?
They’re not okay. But use the same standard on government getting cozy with Christianity as you do with Islam. Islam is a different system than Christianity. Objectively it calls for government control. Christianity rejects that. We must recognize that difference.
That's just BS: people are individuals, and there are Christians that die want government control. ‘cause every individual interprets their religious beliefs themselves and ultimately picks and chooses what they choose to believe from their own often-contradictory texts. Many of the Muslims that have come to the US were escaping their own persecution too, and also approach life from a secular standpoint.
I apply the same guidelines for religion and government that we all should: keep ‘em entirely separate. You say you do, but then show you don't.
So let me know when Dearborn or Dearborn Heights starts sounding calls to prayer by the city. Then we have something to talk about.
Meanwhile we can talk about actual attempts to enact theocratic government here by say disallowing prayers or displays in public meetings/areas by those other than Christians.
And because I just recalled this part: why are "blue" laws OK? Forcing business closures on Sunday is itself a form of theocracy, IMO - though SCOTUS somehow found them to be secular...
A day of rest is logical, and a common day of rest makes enforcement easier. I believe that is the basis for secularism. Unfortunately, no one day would satisfy everyone and there are so many exceptions "a day of rest" is meaningless. The matter should be left to enforcement of the wage/hour laws.