We too often dismiss things Trump says--his wording and usage--to context. It's true things can have multiple contexts, but it's also true that he can mean them in both. I have made it my practice to take his words to mean what they say in every clear context. This remark means both economic turmoil and actual violence. That's how he meant it.
As for Xi and tariffs, David is correct. Xi knows how Trump deals. Xi welcomes tariffs as they are just a tax on American consumers and help China prop up its currency, honestly. American tariffs devalue the dollar internationally, which helps China. China can indeed buy Trump, and if tariffs are the price, he's giving it away.
At least Biden's economic package rewarded foreign companies for building auto manufacturing plants here in the U.S. Hyundai/Kia is building a massive plant in southeast Georgia to build (mostly) EVs. Mercedes Benz is building a plant in Alabama (or adding to one already operating). Trump's plan is to punish our allies and reward our adversaries.
The score: David 0, Steve 1. Sorry brother, Steve's splain is way better than yours (and especially Erick's lame pile of steaming excrement). Anyone who has listened to the nonsense from trump over the years knows what he is doing.
Steve nailed it, with a sledgehammer: " I have made it my practice to take his words to mean what they say in every clear context. This remark means both economic turmoil and actual violence. That's how he meant it."
Better yet, take the totality of the rambling jumble of mush-mouth crap spilling from the wrong orifice in Ohio and let it sink in. Better yet, don't. Saluting and celebrating criminals is simply criminal behavior. Coming from the man who would become king, take it to heart. He means what he says and he says what he means.
He'll never change, nor should we pretend he ever will. Putting him in the White House would be tragic and that's on a good day.
I agree with Steve on the context being related to both economics and violence. Trump uses catastrophizing rhetoric in a way that allows both defense (it was just about cars) and speaks to his supporters (stand back and standby). His supporters know what he means, and so do we.
I think the focus on "bloodbath" is distracting from the much worse dehumanization directed towards migrants, and that needs to be stamped out wherever it rises.
Many people despise Trump; I get that. But you guys have an unhealthy hatred of Trump that is denying you rational thought. You are reacting with nothing but pure emotion.
On the contrary, I think I'm probably one of the most objective commenters out there. I tend to look past the spin and seek out the facts of any given situation.
The fact that I tend to draw fire from both sides of the political spectrum is evidence of objectivity, but it isn't my fault that the facts aren't often on Trump's side.
In this piece, I tried to show both sides.
To you twitter reference, I'm not defending the leftist use of "bloodbath," but it is different when someone with a history of fomenting and encouraging actual violence uses the term.
Same mamby, pamby, gibberish when it comes to anything Trump. Your Elite status shines through. Yes, tariffs are a tax on anyone choosing to buy anything the tariff applies to. It stops dumping on the United States. It levels the playing field for hard working Americans whose products are undercut by cheap labor.
I have to wonder about anyone who thinks allowing an adversary foreign nation to gain advantage over the American People is a good thing. The comments I read smacks of New World Order. I guess the ditto-heads who read these articles can all chime in for themselves. Sorry, I am contrarian. I can think for myself without being told what to think. This happens to also be why Elites hate MAGA and Trump.
It also penalizes hardworking Americans who want to buy a car by inflating prices and triggering trade wars in which American products are taxed by other countries. That hurts American workers as well.
Sorta true but only because we are so dependent on China for cheap goods. There are plenty of other factors that also affect the price of goods. The Feds and a number of states dictated a switch to EVs within the next decade. Almost no one is buying EVs. some manufacturers lose thousands of dollars on each vehicle sold. The loss is made up by higher prices on the vehicles that do sell, including used vehicles. Every cost to manufacturers and suppliers increases the cost to consumers. Increasing the minimum wage. Environmental regulations. Shoplifting. Interest rates for capital intensive industries.
And for all the hand-wringing and whining about Biden destroying anything, here's Politico's take on where we are coming out of the pandemic that crushed the world economy: "Enticed by a range of new subsidies and tax breaks, manufacturers have poured roughly $220 billion over the last 18 months into manufacturing construction on Biden’s watch. New factories will eventually make the car parts, computer chips and construction materials that the U.S. has long relied on foreign countries to provide."
So much for the happy horseshit trump is slinging. BTW, didn't the donald tell us all the stock market would collapse under Biden's watch? At least he didn't steep it in bloodshed eh?
That might help in a decade or so if it doesn't end the way Obama's car battery production subsidy did. The Feds are not good at picking winners because politics always come into play. We can hope the program increases supply chain reliability and domestic employment which would make it worthwhile, but I'm skeptical about real cost savings.
Perhaps a better example of the potential pitfalls would have been the far more current trump Foxconn fiasco in Wisconsin. If memory serves me they got all that sizzle with absolutely no beef. It quietly died with a whimper.
You are right on this Curtis, increasing maufacturing in the US is a winning strategy for us all.
Trump did tout the Foxconn deal, but it was primarily a deal made with a foreign corporation by a Republican state administration in Wisconsin. To their credit, a subsequent democrat state administration reduced the subsidy from $3 billion to $80 million but that might or might not have been a factor in the deal falling through. My opinion is that such subsidies should be constructed to favor domestic corporations.
Obama's battery plant subsidy deal was with a domestic corporation, and it still failed because politics and business sense are not compatible.
Define "elite". It *used* to mean the wealthy and powerful: you know, like Elon and Trump.
And what do you think will really happen if such tariffs were implemented? Do you think that with an imported vehicle now costing 2x what it used to that domestic vehicles would stay the same price - or instead that domestic vehicles would instead bump prices up to 1.75x current levels to make more money?
Elites used to be defined as you say. Now, the best way to explain them would be "Elite of the Elite's". People who do not believe is Socialism, need not apply, and if you cannot put blinders on, and blindly follow, you will not be accepted into their minion class.
Tariff's stop lots of stuff from happening. Like China adjusting their currency to gain advantage over the US Dollar. I remember when China dumped inferior steel upon America. Part of my job 40 years ago dealt with grade 5 bolts and other high graded steel. China dumped bolts, and chains, stamped as grade 5 which were far inferior and caused a lot of problems. When your lifting something weighing 5 tons over your head (a concrete manhole for example) a chain failure is not an option. BUT IT HAPPENED. We cannot sue China so how else can you punish them. China does not follow international law when it comes to taking advantage.
If I never had my life rely upon an inferior product, who knows, I would probably think as you do. I have lived with "real life" issues because of China. See, I did not even mention the Pandemic they brought upon us. Oh, wait!
Your definition of elites is...socialists? Really? Try again.
You did not answer the question: what do you think will happen if imported vehicles - not just Chinese (of which none are sold in the US at this time) but Japanese and European vehicles - are taxed at 100%?
The most reliable and longest lasting vehicles tend to be from Toyota and Honda: many made here, but many also imported.
Again, specifically targeted tariffs are one thing - broad tariffs over entire sectors a other entirely.
We too often dismiss things Trump says--his wording and usage--to context. It's true things can have multiple contexts, but it's also true that he can mean them in both. I have made it my practice to take his words to mean what they say in every clear context. This remark means both economic turmoil and actual violence. That's how he meant it.
As for Xi and tariffs, David is correct. Xi knows how Trump deals. Xi welcomes tariffs as they are just a tax on American consumers and help China prop up its currency, honestly. American tariffs devalue the dollar internationally, which helps China. China can indeed buy Trump, and if tariffs are the price, he's giving it away.
At least Biden's economic package rewarded foreign companies for building auto manufacturing plants here in the U.S. Hyundai/Kia is building a massive plant in southeast Georgia to build (mostly) EVs. Mercedes Benz is building a plant in Alabama (or adding to one already operating). Trump's plan is to punish our allies and reward our adversaries.
The score: David 0, Steve 1. Sorry brother, Steve's splain is way better than yours (and especially Erick's lame pile of steaming excrement). Anyone who has listened to the nonsense from trump over the years knows what he is doing.
Steve nailed it, with a sledgehammer: " I have made it my practice to take his words to mean what they say in every clear context. This remark means both economic turmoil and actual violence. That's how he meant it."
Better yet, take the totality of the rambling jumble of mush-mouth crap spilling from the wrong orifice in Ohio and let it sink in. Better yet, don't. Saluting and celebrating criminals is simply criminal behavior. Coming from the man who would become king, take it to heart. He means what he says and he says what he means.
He'll never change, nor should we pretend he ever will. Putting him in the White House would be tragic and that's on a good day.
I agree with Steve on the context being related to both economics and violence. Trump uses catastrophizing rhetoric in a way that allows both defense (it was just about cars) and speaks to his supporters (stand back and standby). His supporters know what he means, and so do we.
I think the focus on "bloodbath" is distracting from the much worse dehumanization directed towards migrants, and that needs to be stamped out wherever it rises.
Many people despise Trump; I get that. But you guys have an unhealthy hatred of Trump that is denying you rational thought. You are reacting with nothing but pure emotion.
Of interest...
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1769455728941547695
On the contrary, I think I'm probably one of the most objective commenters out there. I tend to look past the spin and seek out the facts of any given situation.
The fact that I tend to draw fire from both sides of the political spectrum is evidence of objectivity, but it isn't my fault that the facts aren't often on Trump's side.
In this piece, I tried to show both sides.
To you twitter reference, I'm not defending the leftist use of "bloodbath," but it is different when someone with a history of fomenting and encouraging actual violence uses the term.
"Rational thought" and trump do not belong on the same page, let alone the same sentence.
Same mamby, pamby, gibberish when it comes to anything Trump. Your Elite status shines through. Yes, tariffs are a tax on anyone choosing to buy anything the tariff applies to. It stops dumping on the United States. It levels the playing field for hard working Americans whose products are undercut by cheap labor.
I have to wonder about anyone who thinks allowing an adversary foreign nation to gain advantage over the American People is a good thing. The comments I read smacks of New World Order. I guess the ditto-heads who read these articles can all chime in for themselves. Sorry, I am contrarian. I can think for myself without being told what to think. This happens to also be why Elites hate MAGA and Trump.
It also penalizes hardworking Americans who want to buy a car by inflating prices and triggering trade wars in which American products are taxed by other countries. That hurts American workers as well.
We just came through this and it didn’t end well.
Sorta true but only because we are so dependent on China for cheap goods. There are plenty of other factors that also affect the price of goods. The Feds and a number of states dictated a switch to EVs within the next decade. Almost no one is buying EVs. some manufacturers lose thousands of dollars on each vehicle sold. The loss is made up by higher prices on the vehicles that do sell, including used vehicles. Every cost to manufacturers and suppliers increases the cost to consumers. Increasing the minimum wage. Environmental regulations. Shoplifting. Interest rates for capital intensive industries.
And for all the hand-wringing and whining about Biden destroying anything, here's Politico's take on where we are coming out of the pandemic that crushed the world economy: "Enticed by a range of new subsidies and tax breaks, manufacturers have poured roughly $220 billion over the last 18 months into manufacturing construction on Biden’s watch. New factories will eventually make the car parts, computer chips and construction materials that the U.S. has long relied on foreign countries to provide."
So much for the happy horseshit trump is slinging. BTW, didn't the donald tell us all the stock market would collapse under Biden's watch? At least he didn't steep it in bloodshed eh?
That might help in a decade or so if it doesn't end the way Obama's car battery production subsidy did. The Feds are not good at picking winners because politics always come into play. We can hope the program increases supply chain reliability and domestic employment which would make it worthwhile, but I'm skeptical about real cost savings.
Perhaps a better example of the potential pitfalls would have been the far more current trump Foxconn fiasco in Wisconsin. If memory serves me they got all that sizzle with absolutely no beef. It quietly died with a whimper.
You are right on this Curtis, increasing maufacturing in the US is a winning strategy for us all.
Trump did tout the Foxconn deal, but it was primarily a deal made with a foreign corporation by a Republican state administration in Wisconsin. To their credit, a subsequent democrat state administration reduced the subsidy from $3 billion to $80 million but that might or might not have been a factor in the deal falling through. My opinion is that such subsidies should be constructed to favor domestic corporations.
Obama's battery plant subsidy deal was with a domestic corporation, and it still failed because politics and business sense are not compatible.
Define "elite". It *used* to mean the wealthy and powerful: you know, like Elon and Trump.
And what do you think will really happen if such tariffs were implemented? Do you think that with an imported vehicle now costing 2x what it used to that domestic vehicles would stay the same price - or instead that domestic vehicles would instead bump prices up to 1.75x current levels to make more money?
Elites used to be defined as you say. Now, the best way to explain them would be "Elite of the Elite's". People who do not believe is Socialism, need not apply, and if you cannot put blinders on, and blindly follow, you will not be accepted into their minion class.
Tariff's stop lots of stuff from happening. Like China adjusting their currency to gain advantage over the US Dollar. I remember when China dumped inferior steel upon America. Part of my job 40 years ago dealt with grade 5 bolts and other high graded steel. China dumped bolts, and chains, stamped as grade 5 which were far inferior and caused a lot of problems. When your lifting something weighing 5 tons over your head (a concrete manhole for example) a chain failure is not an option. BUT IT HAPPENED. We cannot sue China so how else can you punish them. China does not follow international law when it comes to taking advantage.
If I never had my life rely upon an inferior product, who knows, I would probably think as you do. I have lived with "real life" issues because of China. See, I did not even mention the Pandemic they brought upon us. Oh, wait!
Your definition of elites is...socialists? Really? Try again.
You did not answer the question: what do you think will happen if imported vehicles - not just Chinese (of which none are sold in the US at this time) but Japanese and European vehicles - are taxed at 100%?
The most reliable and longest lasting vehicles tend to be from Toyota and Honda: many made here, but many also imported.
Again, specifically targeted tariffs are one thing - broad tariffs over entire sectors a other entirely.
You have your definition of socialist elites. I have mine.
Toyota did not start out that way. They stole it from American ingenuity.
Build it here and sell it here, or pay tariff's.
I think pairing socialist and elites is an oxymoron, as socialists literally have zero power.
As I said: no care for the economic impacts whatsoever.