It's been an interesting time since 10/7. The immediate shock over the Hamas carnage, murder and rapes was on point and mostly supported Israel's right to respond. With each passing day, i find more news broadcasts drifting. I guess they would argue they are trying to look impartial.
Which is exactly why your telling of the history of how we got here matters so much Steve. Yes, i feel bad for the Palestinian's being killed. Then i read articles how 70% of them support Hamas and their goals of destroying the Jewish nation and i simply become numb to the illogical idea there can ever be a peaceful solution. Unless and until Hamas is gone, there will be no peace.
Your comparison to the Civil war and those who still embrace the confederacy is well founded and i suspect the analogy between the two, is painful for some. At some point, history and how we got to where we are or were becomes essential. Failing to admit which side is in the right and which side is in the wrong ultimately becomes the litmus test of where anyone stands.
Objectivity is impossible without intellectual honesty.
I was reading an opinion on how Israel and Hamas measure the outcome of their conflict differently, with Israel measuring "hardware" (destruction of Hamas personnel/arms/infrastructure) while Hamas measures "software" (support for Hamas instead of the PLO/Fatah).
Following your logic, I suppose George Washington and Thomas Jefferson should be impeached, their monuments destroyed, many cities should be renamed and millions of coins and currency bills should be collected and destroyed.
The matter of secession was not finally settled until 1868 when the 14th Amendment was ratified. That same year, Confederates received a federal pardon. Former Confederate states were also allowed by the federal government to name military bases located there. You are attacking men's character based on today's norms not those actually in place in 1861. Washington and Jefferson were both Virginians and might well have strongly objected had President Adams outlawed slavery.
We now know slavery was an abominable practice but that does not change history. History happened and should be remembered and preserved. My remarks were directed at Steve's "rabid slaveholder" comment. I do not know how to differentiate between rabid and non-rabid slaveholders, but I do know Washington and Jefferson were slaveholders.
It's been an interesting time since 10/7. The immediate shock over the Hamas carnage, murder and rapes was on point and mostly supported Israel's right to respond. With each passing day, i find more news broadcasts drifting. I guess they would argue they are trying to look impartial.
Which is exactly why your telling of the history of how we got here matters so much Steve. Yes, i feel bad for the Palestinian's being killed. Then i read articles how 70% of them support Hamas and their goals of destroying the Jewish nation and i simply become numb to the illogical idea there can ever be a peaceful solution. Unless and until Hamas is gone, there will be no peace.
Your comparison to the Civil war and those who still embrace the confederacy is well founded and i suspect the analogy between the two, is painful for some. At some point, history and how we got to where we are or were becomes essential. Failing to admit which side is in the right and which side is in the wrong ultimately becomes the litmus test of where anyone stands.
Objectivity is impossible without intellectual honesty.
I was reading an opinion on how Israel and Hamas measure the outcome of their conflict differently, with Israel measuring "hardware" (destruction of Hamas personnel/arms/infrastructure) while Hamas measures "software" (support for Hamas instead of the PLO/Fatah).
Good article Steve!
Kudos for putting "heritage" in much-deserved quotes
Following your logic, I suppose George Washington and Thomas Jefferson should be impeached, their monuments destroyed, many cities should be renamed and millions of coins and currency bills should be collected and destroyed.
The Confederates were literal traitors to the USA.
Washington and Jefferson were not.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
The matter of secession was not finally settled until 1868 when the 14th Amendment was ratified. That same year, Confederates received a federal pardon. Former Confederate states were also allowed by the federal government to name military bases located there. You are attacking men's character based on today's norms not those actually in place in 1861. Washington and Jefferson were both Virginians and might well have strongly objected had President Adams outlawed slavery.
We now know slavery was an abominable practice but that does not change history. History happened and should be remembered and preserved. My remarks were directed at Steve's "rabid slaveholder" comment. I do not know how to differentiate between rabid and non-rabid slaveholders, but I do know Washington and Jefferson were slaveholders.
A pardon does not eliminate the crime: it only eliminates the punishment. They were and will always be traitors.
Now the naming rights have been taken away.
We always knew slavery was an abominable practice.
Sorry you do not like the facts, Ted. Few if any of the Confederate leaders were charged with or tried for treason.
Due to being pardoned.
They were traitors nonetheless.