God love you David, your endless pursuit of the truth is ultimately all any of us are looking for. Most of us understand the legions of trump lovers will never be moved. What we also know is normal every day people will look at the facts and use them to make choices going forward. It's the exact reason trump lost in 2020. More people resented his presidency than loved him.
I truly look forward to Mo, bullet-proof vest, Brooks having to testify. He should be held accountable for telling the crowd to go "kick ass." I truly look forward to Jim, I don't recall when i talked to the president on January 6, Jordan having to testify. Hey dummy, your phone records will show exactly when, how many times and how long you chatted him up. Perhaps those records will jog your memory and what was exactly said.
Finally, i really, really want to see who took visitors through the White House in the days before January 6. Nope, not accusing anyone, but those visits had to be logged and if anyone provided access that was used to help the insurrectionists (BTW you are right and EE is dead bang wrong), they should be held accountable up to and including jail time.
January 6 was impossible to watch. The events were so far removed from what anyone would, could or should tolerate. The very idea the Ron Johnson's of the world are trying to repaint it is simply sick. Call it what it was, hold those accountable that did it and then we can move on. Until then it is simply a stain on our country and democracy and until we deal with those who precipitated it and nurtured it we should never forgive, nor never forget.
Thanks for the kind words Leticia but i'll leave the writing to the pro's. The guys do a good job poking, probing and jabbing, i'm just a counter-puncher who likes to respond occasionally. I would like to see more of Susan, but that's a whole other topic.
EE has been so utterly contaminated from partisanship that he has lost all ability to see right from wrong. A poor but common look for those that mix religion with politics. At least that's what I hope it is, because the other opinion is he is intentionally lying to try and grow his fledgling radio show.
I really wish we could have gotten a legit non-partisan review of the events of Jan 6th but republicans made that impossible. Now we just need to know how deep it goes, and how much evil the republican voters are willing to put up with to have political power.
The following would indicate the definition of insurrection is not as cut and dried as you claim.
"Insurrection Law and Legal Definition
Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.
The following is a case law defining Insurrection:
Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” [Younis Bros. & Co. v. Cigna Worldwide Ins. Co., 899 F. Supp. 1385, 1392-1393 (E.D. Pa. 1995)]"
This "bombshell" is much like the bombshell reported by Brad Raffensperger's clerk. The intent and meaning is unclear, even if it were in Trump's handwriting.
100% agree David. Intent indeed. What was their intent when they were kicking the snot out of the Capital Police? What was their intent when they put up the gallows? What was their intent when Mo told them to go kick some ass? What was trump's intent when he brought them to DC and then sent them off to the storm the capital.
See how easy this is Curtis? Now we know why we have a Bipartisan Select Committee to sort that all out. The truth will set us free.
You will get the leaks and news releases that support the claims of the majority party. Lies and partisan viewpoints from carefully rehearsed witnesses that share the politics of the majority party.
Here's an NPR article that says otherwise: "The cost of repairing damages from the attack on the U.S. Capitol and related security expenses have already topped $30 million and will keep rising, Architect of the Capitol J. Brett Blanton told lawmakers on Wednesday."
See the mistake you make is to try and measure a broken vase or a defaced piece of art. The real costs include everything from that day that goes well beyond what they did inside the Capital. Human lives, added security. perimeter protections. Thanks you donald...in fact, send him the bill i'm sure he can get his rubes to donate so he won't have to pay.
The only person slain was a protestor in an unjustified shooting by Capitol police. The other security (mostly National Guard and a few thousand dollars worth of materials) was political theater by Pelosi. I know security and I know restoration damage. You have no idea. If there had been a real threat intent by a few hundred unarmed rioters, a platoon of Marines or a well-trained industrial security shift, defense contractor or nuclear power plant, could have put it down in less than an hour. The MPD and Capitol Police did not perceive a real threat or they would have taken appropriate action. Real threats justify deadly force.
There were guns, and even then: getting choked, stabbed, brained by a pipe/bat/etc..., or just plain pummeled/trampled leaves one just as dead as being shot.
Quit minimizing the situation: if the positions were switched, you'd be calling for every Dem to be put against the wall.
The only violent death was an unjustified shooting by Capitol Police. Any of the rioters who assaulted police should be charged. You will have to show me where any of the rioters were found to have guns or other weapons at the Capitol.
It was a riot, less intense than the democrat riots in major cities. It just happened to be on Federal property. Not nearly as serious as Portland thugs attempting to burn federal employees to death. There have been no sedition charges because the charges would not stick.
You mean just happened to be on federal property with the expressed desire to stop the certification of our election. Funny how you always leave that part out.
A serious intent to stop certification would have involved more than unarmed rioters. You have no idea what constitutes a threat. We need to bring back the draft.
Come on Curtis, stick with the party line, just another normal day of visitors who loved the cops and strolled down the hallways handing out kisses and flowers or whatever pile of crap they are peddling these days. All kidding aside C, did you watch it that day? Were you horrified by what you saw?
I did watch. I thought all those who resisted lawful orders to disband should be arrested. I did not know on what grounds but arrest was justified. It now appears the were guilty of trespassing because sedition charges would not stick.
This is not any different than all the fantasy evidence that was presented regarding the Russian collusion, the Ukriaine phone call and the Trump Dossier. Really, when are you going to give up this fantasy. People on the left lie when it comes to the Trump administration, actually any Republican administration (See Texas and Georgia Voting rights legislation), that is fact. There is a reason that no Republicans are allowed on that Select Committee, no one on the left want real questions asked.
Pelosi would have sat 3 that the republicans put up but they weren't allowed to sit by republican leadership. You can't hide behind your own deceptions. That doesn't work.
Oh Jesus, you have been watching the Dem's media outlets have you. That is how they obfuscate the facts also. How many Republicans did the leadership propose?
Here Lawrence let me fix that for you: The two Republican's that are on the Select Committee are Liz Cheney and Adam Kizinger, and were chosen chosen because they haven't spent the last 4 years with their heads up trumps ass (goodness that's an ugly, ugly thought),
So now it has been revealed that the Dem's will not allow any questions to be asked of the FBI about how much involvement they had in the Capital Riot before the Riot actually happened. Particularly, questions about why they did not act to stop the riot before it happened.
God love you David, your endless pursuit of the truth is ultimately all any of us are looking for. Most of us understand the legions of trump lovers will never be moved. What we also know is normal every day people will look at the facts and use them to make choices going forward. It's the exact reason trump lost in 2020. More people resented his presidency than loved him.
I truly look forward to Mo, bullet-proof vest, Brooks having to testify. He should be held accountable for telling the crowd to go "kick ass." I truly look forward to Jim, I don't recall when i talked to the president on January 6, Jordan having to testify. Hey dummy, your phone records will show exactly when, how many times and how long you chatted him up. Perhaps those records will jog your memory and what was exactly said.
Finally, i really, really want to see who took visitors through the White House in the days before January 6. Nope, not accusing anyone, but those visits had to be logged and if anyone provided access that was used to help the insurrectionists (BTW you are right and EE is dead bang wrong), they should be held accountable up to and including jail time.
January 6 was impossible to watch. The events were so far removed from what anyone would, could or should tolerate. The very idea the Ron Johnson's of the world are trying to repaint it is simply sick. Call it what it was, hold those accountable that did it and then we can move on. Until then it is simply a stain on our country and democracy and until we deal with those who precipitated it and nurtured it we should never forgive, nor never forget.
God love you too, Bill Pearson. You should be writing for Racket News, also.
Thanks for the kind words Leticia but i'll leave the writing to the pro's. The guys do a good job poking, probing and jabbing, i'm just a counter-puncher who likes to respond occasionally. I would like to see more of Susan, but that's a whole other topic.
EE has been so utterly contaminated from partisanship that he has lost all ability to see right from wrong. A poor but common look for those that mix religion with politics. At least that's what I hope it is, because the other opinion is he is intentionally lying to try and grow his fledgling radio show.
I really wish we could have gotten a legit non-partisan review of the events of Jan 6th but republicans made that impossible. Now we just need to know how deep it goes, and how much evil the republican voters are willing to put up with to have political power.
I have some hope for Erick. He isn't fully gone over, but he does try to straddle the fence.
Of all people, Erick should be mindful of the necessity of being hot or cold and not lukewarm.
I think in the old days we used to call them "mugwumps." You know, their mug on one side and their...you get the picture i'm sure.
The following would indicate the definition of insurrection is not as cut and dried as you claim.
"Insurrection Law and Legal Definition
Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.
The following is a case law defining Insurrection:
Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” [Younis Bros. & Co. v. Cigna Worldwide Ins. Co., 899 F. Supp. 1385, 1392-1393 (E.D. Pa. 1995)]"
https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/insurrection/
This "bombshell" is much like the bombshell reported by Brad Raffensperger's clerk. The intent and meaning is unclear, even if it were in Trump's handwriting.
The definition you cite sounds a lot like what happened.
100% agree David. Intent indeed. What was their intent when they were kicking the snot out of the Capital Police? What was their intent when they put up the gallows? What was their intent when Mo told them to go kick some ass? What was trump's intent when he brought them to DC and then sent them off to the storm the capital.
See how easy this is Curtis? Now we know why we have a Bipartisan Select Committee to sort that all out. The truth will set us free.
You will get the leaks and news releases that support the claims of the majority party. Lies and partisan viewpoints from carefully rehearsed witnesses that share the politics of the majority party.
There was no threat to the stability of the government. No way. Only a few hundred rioters with that may have done $50,000 worth of damage.
Here's an NPR article that says otherwise: "The cost of repairing damages from the attack on the U.S. Capitol and related security expenses have already topped $30 million and will keep rising, Architect of the Capitol J. Brett Blanton told lawmakers on Wednesday."
See the mistake you make is to try and measure a broken vase or a defaced piece of art. The real costs include everything from that day that goes well beyond what they did inside the Capital. Human lives, added security. perimeter protections. Thanks you donald...in fact, send him the bill i'm sure he can get his rubes to donate so he won't have to pay.
The only person slain was a protestor in an unjustified shooting by Capitol police. The other security (mostly National Guard and a few thousand dollars worth of materials) was political theater by Pelosi. I know security and I know restoration damage. You have no idea. If there had been a real threat intent by a few hundred unarmed rioters, a platoon of Marines or a well-trained industrial security shift, defense contractor or nuclear power plant, could have put it down in less than an hour. The MPD and Capitol Police did not perceive a real threat or they would have taken appropriate action. Real threats justify deadly force.
I was waiting for the unarmed line.
There were guns, and even then: getting choked, stabbed, brained by a pipe/bat/etc..., or just plain pummeled/trampled leaves one just as dead as being shot.
Quit minimizing the situation: if the positions were switched, you'd be calling for every Dem to be put against the wall.
The only violent death was an unjustified shooting by Capitol Police. Any of the rioters who assaulted police should be charged. You will have to show me where any of the rioters were found to have guns or other weapons at the Capitol.
It's exactly what happened. So weird he doesn't see that.
It was a riot, less intense than the democrat riots in major cities. It just happened to be on Federal property. Not nearly as serious as Portland thugs attempting to burn federal employees to death. There have been no sedition charges because the charges would not stick.
You mean just happened to be on federal property with the expressed desire to stop the certification of our election. Funny how you always leave that part out.
A serious intent to stop certification would have involved more than unarmed rioters. You have no idea what constitutes a threat. We need to bring back the draft.
Yet they were able to delay it. I just think in your dotage you aren't mentally able anymore to see anything but what you want to see.
Come on Curtis, stick with the party line, just another normal day of visitors who loved the cops and strolled down the hallways handing out kisses and flowers or whatever pile of crap they are peddling these days. All kidding aside C, did you watch it that day? Were you horrified by what you saw?
I did watch. I thought all those who resisted lawful orders to disband should be arrested. I did not know on what grounds but arrest was justified. It now appears the were guilty of trespassing because sedition charges would not stick.
This is not any different than all the fantasy evidence that was presented regarding the Russian collusion, the Ukriaine phone call and the Trump Dossier. Really, when are you going to give up this fantasy. People on the left lie when it comes to the Trump administration, actually any Republican administration (See Texas and Georgia Voting rights legislation), that is fact. There is a reason that no Republicans are allowed on that Select Committee, no one on the left want real questions asked.
Pelosi would have sat 3 that the republicans put up but they weren't allowed to sit by republican leadership. You can't hide behind your own deceptions. That doesn't work.
Oh Jesus, you have been watching the Dem's media outlets have you. That is how they obfuscate the facts also. How many Republicans did the leadership propose?
5. What does that have to do with anything?
Truth Scott, not propaganda, that is what we need. I am surprised that you can't see it.
Truth is subjective: we need objective facts.
So: let's WAFO
The only one not seeing it is you.
Here Lawrence let me fix that for you: The two Republican's that are on the Select Committee are Liz Cheney and Adam Kizinger, and were chosen chosen because they haven't spent the last 4 years with their heads up trumps ass (goodness that's an ugly, ugly thought),
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My Point exactly, Thanks for the help.
Your point was she should have sat people who spent four years up the presidents ass...at last, we finally agree on something. Goodness, progress.
And the ones Pelosi rejected would have asked embarrassing questions on national TV.
So now it has been revealed that the Dem's will not allow any questions to be asked of the FBI about how much involvement they had in the Capital Riot before the Riot actually happened. Particularly, questions about why they did not act to stop the riot before it happened.
I'm waiting for a Democrat to actually be assassinated: then the line will be "They had it coming!"
Why a Democrat? On Jan. 6th, those gallows had been erected for Mike Pence.
I think it's a greater likelihood that a Dem would be targeted by a right-wing extremist (though the party is currently controlled by the extreme).
It's a fair point though: anybody not in the ever-worsening extreme could be a target.
And: while the gallows may have been for Pence, I doubt he'd have been the first killed if the insurrectionists were more competent.