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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Mr. Trump's policy pronouncements are certainly blunter and cruder than what we are used to seeing. They are also more immediate and transparent. I think Trump was elected because the voters lost trust in the government. They did not like things the way they were and did not see anything happening to make changes.

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Kim's avatar

I think he was re-elected because his propaganda machine was loud and drowned out the warnings. FAFO. Well now we shall all see.

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SGman's avatar

Deportations were higher during Obama's and Biden's terms than during Trump's first term.

You'd never know that depending on the media environment one occupies.

The reality is that Trump makes whatever actions be seen from a media perspective, rather than being quietly effective. That's why his reported dissatisfaction with deportation numbers and instituted quotas will mean rounding up non-criminals.

To quote Greg Sargent on this: "Manufacturing a perpetual emergency constantly requires new enemies."

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SGman's avatar

You'll have to excuse me if I don't trust an anti-immigration organization's website for the number of deportations over that of the government's reports.

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Cooter's avatar

Fair enough, but I believe they are anti-illegal-immigration. Be that as it may...

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

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Cooter's avatar

I haven't found stats for Obama's term, but Encounters during Biden's term were higher. Do you think more Encounters might generate more Repatriations?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/immigration-enforcement-and-legal-processes-monthly

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SGman's avatar

We've gone over what an "encounter" is in the past, and it's one of these three things:

- Arrests of noncitizens who cross the border without authorization

- Determinations of inadmissibility for noncitizens who request entry at a port of entry

- Expulsions of noncitizens from the United States

That middle one matters: someone going to a port of entry and being told "No, you may not enter" skews these numbers.

The thing that matters most is the arrests of non-authorized border crossers, and deportations of noncitizens from the US.

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SGman's avatar

The really sad thing is that the systems that have been built up over the past 80 years that have so benefit us - and the world at large - are being quickly dismantled. As it applies to the US, it's going to make us poorer and reduce our ability to influence events to our benefit as our allies and trade partners move away from us.

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Kim's avatar

Almost all US aid to foreign countries has been stopped. The will cripple so many disease control programs. Unless he shuts every access to the US the diseases will make their way here.

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Chris J. Karr's avatar

Great time to purchase Ivermectin futures!

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SGman's avatar

I'm thinking canned veggies and other dry goods.

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Kim's avatar

On this Holocaust Remembrance day I have spent the morning watching TCM. First was The Executioners, the history of Hitler as presented at the Nuremberg trials. Now I am watching Shoah:Four Sisters. It is a story of survival of Hitler’s atrocities .

I am sick to my stomach. Your comparisons to Rome are different than I have read before. In my gut I still feel Project 2025, quickly being implemented are more akin to Hitler’s plans for Germany. I will resist. I will not be a brownshirt, I won’t stand idly by and wait until they come for me. I will speak out everyday on behalf of all who are being persecuted.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Start by telling us who is being persecuted.

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Kim's avatar

Start here and stand by because these raids are not at all what he said would happen.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/ice-raid-new-jersey-veteran/

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Thanks. Sounds like one instance of a screw up. There will be some. I would be interested in finding out if the guy in question is really a veteran and his detention was simply to verify his identity.

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Kim's avatar

Musk and his speech to the German nazis? Wonder if that emboldened the anti-Semitic activities in NYC?

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Steve Berman's avatar

There are no more German Nazis. Anything remotely Nazi is banned and illegal in Germany. Germany’s hate speech laws (no 1A there) do not allow positive references to Nazi policies or history. The AfD is center right by our (U.S.) political scale and is anti-unlimited immigration. It is somewhat nationalist. It is not in any imagination, Nazi.

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SGman's avatar

Steve, you may be right about laws but not about the sentiments of the members themselves. They may avoid outright talking about being Nazis: that does not mean that they do not have positive views of Hitler (with one party leader having a reference on his license plate) or Hitler's policy towards others (with a party leader having stated they could gas/shoot Muslims and that Jews are their internal enemy).

One thing important to note about the AfD is their base of support is what was East Germany - the area controlled by the USSR.

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Steve Berman's avatar

AfD is relatively popular not because the rest of the country is rabidly anti-Nazi. All Germans are inculcated in the sins of the Nazis. There is no home schooling in Germany. However, migrants and refugees from Syria and other places in the Muslim world are not taught what Germans are taught. They don’t have the values inculcated or the historical context. AfD is popular because it speaks against those groups and for Germans. Much of the pro-EU one worlders who run the other parties rabid devotion to avoiding difficult topics is the reason AfD gains popularity.

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SGman's avatar

You can see the map where their support comes from, Steve.

Nativism is often found in the working class, yes.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

From The Hill, Musk said:

"Musk said German children should not bear the responsibility for crimes past generations committed, an apparent reference to the Holocaust and crimes committed by the Nazi Party."

Is that any different than saying you and I should not feel responsible for the practice of slavery in the USA?

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SGman's avatar

There's a difference between "feeling guilty" and "acknowledging and remembering the past".

In both the cases, people just don't want to think about the past anymore - which means it will be repeated.

We have a responsibility to look at historical missteps and tragedies to avoid future missteps and tragedies. That's not guilt: it's proper stewardship.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

That is not what Musk reportedly said.

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SGman's avatar

You can watch the video yourself: he said "children should not be guilty of the sins of the past". That's a line also taken here in the US regarding slavery, and I think the guilt part is the mentality of those that think it's about guilt rather than remembrance and responsibility of those in the present to avoid a repeat of the past.

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SGman's avatar

Intentional use of Columbia instead of Colombia?

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Steve Berman's avatar

No I hadn’t had my coffee. My Colombian coffee. And I need an editor.

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