Ignore it. It's an attempt to distract us from the coup. From the fact that all our data and all our government computers are in the control of a private citizen. We need to focus on the central issue, not get pulled willy-nilly by Trump's showmanship. Post this far and wide. We need to learn to stop reacting to the bait they throw out at us.
At some point, there will be a peace deal between the Muslims in the region and Israel, signed on to by whoever the Antichrist is. It will last 3 and one half years and then the antichrist will betray the deal. This particular deal could be brokered by none other than Donald J. Trump. Interesting times...
Plausible but seems like speculation absent some evidence from inside the administration. Also seems too complex for Trump to play on his own which would require staff and leadership to participate, which means there’d be some other evidence.
I’m not so sure though. Take a look at what he did with the whole Canada/Mexico thing as a way of getting away with imposing tariffs on China. He’s crazy and narcissistic, but I think he plays stupid and disinterested as part of the con:
Well, Steve, your analysis of the situation, the difficulties, the complexities, the motive drivers and Trump’s ideas are much more sensible and nuanced than Mr. Thornton’s. He suffers from TDS so cannot be objective. What I like is how Trump is actually aware of these complexities and thinking out of the box. Gaza is now a hell hole. I agree that having a beautiful place to live, meaningful employment, career opportunities and different companions can affect the attitudes and lives of the Palestinians who are not hate driven extremist Islamists. If they are cleverly dispersed and carefully managed their ideology might slowly begin to dilute. However, any strategy that puts Americans on that land for any reason will be seen as meddling and occupation. Let’s wait to see what unfolds. Right now Trump is just talking out loud.
The last statistics I remember showed 86% of Palestinians support Hamas so I suspect your analysis is 100% correct. Hello river of blood and more hatred for Israel and the USA.
I think there's a bit of misinformation: there was one election in Gaza in 2006, where Hamas won a majority of legislative seats. They then proceeded to perform a coup, killed off their political opposition, and have since ruled Gaza under this post-coup environment.
A pan-Arab/Levantine alliance to administer Gaza/Palestine is probably the best option, but seems like the least likely option at this time.
True. I would not call it a coup any more than Abbas had one. There have been no elections in either Gaza or the West Bank in over 15 years. The people still follow Hamas.
I think that still makes it seem more a choice rather than being subjugated - even if some are willing followers, they definitely are not all to say the least.
I think there were elections in the West Bank more recently: how legitimate they actually are is a question, but they have had some.
There were municipal elections in the West Bank territories in 2021/22. There hasn’t been a presidential election since 2005 and a legislative election since 2006.
Maybe Trump could send in his personal paramilitary, Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, to run out Hamas. I agree Gaza needs cleaning out, but should US really go in here ?
Trump is just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks, at this point.
However….
I also no longer think 2 state is a feasible option. So it kinda would require “Gaza “ to become “neutral”. This would be one way to do that. Cuz as currently constituted with Hamas still dicking around, that’s never gonna happen.
Will that hatred of the US manifest itself here on our land if someone with a brain doesn’t end this speculation of a US takeover over Gaza. I am thinking of Crimea and now Ukraine as a whole being coveted by Putin. Is this Trump showing Putin he too can take over a country? I am not sleeping very well with all that is happening here. My brain is taking all kinds of side roads.
Ignore it. It's an attempt to distract us from the coup. From the fact that all our data and all our government computers are in the control of a private citizen. We need to focus on the central issue, not get pulled willy-nilly by Trump's showmanship. Post this far and wide. We need to learn to stop reacting to the bait they throw out at us.
At some point, there will be a peace deal between the Muslims in the region and Israel, signed on to by whoever the Antichrist is. It will last 3 and one half years and then the antichrist will betray the deal. This particular deal could be brokered by none other than Donald J. Trump. Interesting times...
That’s one interpretation of Revelation and Daniel. I wouldn’t let it govern good judgment but yes it seems we live in interesting times.
I have a different take on this:
https://open.substack.com/pub/sevastianwintersps/p/trumps-gaza-gambit-the-con-the-distraction?r=5wog&utm_medium=ios
Plausible but seems like speculation absent some evidence from inside the administration. Also seems too complex for Trump to play on his own which would require staff and leadership to participate, which means there’d be some other evidence.
I’m not so sure though. Take a look at what he did with the whole Canada/Mexico thing as a way of getting away with imposing tariffs on China. He’s crazy and narcissistic, but I think he plays stupid and disinterested as part of the con:
https://open.substack.com/pub/sevastianwintersps/p/the-art-of-the-con-how-trump-pulled?r=5wog&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Well, Steve, your analysis of the situation, the difficulties, the complexities, the motive drivers and Trump’s ideas are much more sensible and nuanced than Mr. Thornton’s. He suffers from TDS so cannot be objective. What I like is how Trump is actually aware of these complexities and thinking out of the box. Gaza is now a hell hole. I agree that having a beautiful place to live, meaningful employment, career opportunities and different companions can affect the attitudes and lives of the Palestinians who are not hate driven extremist Islamists. If they are cleverly dispersed and carefully managed their ideology might slowly begin to dilute. However, any strategy that puts Americans on that land for any reason will be seen as meddling and occupation. Let’s wait to see what unfolds. Right now Trump is just talking out loud.
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Chalking up any disagreement with Trump as TDS is itself TDS.
I have never seen Thornton say anything positive about Trump. That is why I said that.
Then you haven't paid attention.
The last statistics I remember showed 86% of Palestinians support Hamas so I suspect your analysis is 100% correct. Hello river of blood and more hatred for Israel and the USA.
I think there's a bit of misinformation: there was one election in Gaza in 2006, where Hamas won a majority of legislative seats. They then proceeded to perform a coup, killed off their political opposition, and have since ruled Gaza under this post-coup environment.
A pan-Arab/Levantine alliance to administer Gaza/Palestine is probably the best option, but seems like the least likely option at this time.
True. I would not call it a coup any more than Abbas had one. There have been no elections in either Gaza or the West Bank in over 15 years. The people still follow Hamas.
I think that still makes it seem more a choice rather than being subjugated - even if some are willing followers, they definitely are not all to say the least.
I think there were elections in the West Bank more recently: how legitimate they actually are is a question, but they have had some.
There were municipal elections in the West Bank territories in 2021/22. There hasn’t been a presidential election since 2005 and a legislative election since 2006.
Maybe Trump could send in his personal paramilitary, Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, to run out Hamas. I agree Gaza needs cleaning out, but should US really go in here ?
Trump is just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks, at this point.
However….
I also no longer think 2 state is a feasible option. So it kinda would require “Gaza “ to become “neutral”. This would be one way to do that. Cuz as currently constituted with Hamas still dicking around, that’s never gonna happen.
Will that hatred of the US manifest itself here on our land if someone with a brain doesn’t end this speculation of a US takeover over Gaza. I am thinking of Crimea and now Ukraine as a whole being coveted by Putin. Is this Trump showing Putin he too can take over a country? I am not sleeping very well with all that is happening here. My brain is taking all kinds of side roads.
excellent synopsis