Amen and amen! You finally get what I have been trying to say all along, that there are plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump, so we don't have to resort to lies about Jan.6th to get the point across. I will, however, take issue with one thing in your piece, and that is where you say that if judgment is coming, it won't be because of Joe Biden. Rest assured, God will not ignore those who are totally depraved, and always have been. I give you Sodom and Gomorrah. Having said that, as you rightly point out, "judgment begins at the house of God."
There are plenty of reasons to vote against Trump, and January 6 is a big one.
God will judge the depraved. That includes religious hypocrites. We shouldn’t celebrate or rejoice at this fact, but weep for the lost and tremble at our own failings, thanking God for his mercy. We deserve the same fate as the depraved because we are all depraved sinners.
There's no reason to lie at all, given that we all saw what happened on January 6 with our own eyes. It was televised. Some of those miscreants live streamed it. They were happy to commit those acts of sedition and treason.
Ok, try to follow along, David Thornton keeps saying that Donald Trump is responsible for jan.6th, that he egged on, goaded, and otherwise influenced the crowd to riot, or as he has put it, caused an insurrection. This is not true, therefore it is a lie, and I will never be a party to anyone who says otherwise.
It is God who raise and take away the kings of this world. See Daniel 2:20-22. There are other verses like this. It is his sovereign will to appoint whosoever is needed to lead a nation, be it good or bad. It doesn't mean he's going to override our will when we go to the voting booth this November, however, he will have tools at his disposal to nudge us toward one direction or another.
If God sees fit to allow Trump be reelected to one more term, then so be it. Likewise, if God wants Biden to remain in White House, so be it.
One thing I am absolutely sure about is America will decline spiritually regardless of who is in White House. Since there's nothing about America in the Bible, I have to believe that something profoundly bad will happen to America.
Other than that, it's best to vote with our conscience intact and be sure it's done according to God's will.
I wonder where this MacArthur dude comes down on the “morality” of the Orange thing. His “god” would want that? Lol.
There is also always the option of not leading your life based on a book written by a bunch of old farts a couple of millennia ago. I find that far preferable to the alternative.
As Hitchens loved to say, it requires a certain solipsism to believe that, if there was such a thing as “god”, and he/she/it was an all-everything as the tale goes, that he/she/it would give a flying flip about 1 out of 8-Ish billion current examples of 1 species (never mind all the examples who once existed, and the countless more who one day will come into existence) on a tiny speck of dust in a little corner of the universe.
Gonna have to explain the changes to Leviticus. Assumedly it was written correctly the first time, and yet later on someone changed the text.
I wonder if an older existing copy of the Torah will be found that does not include those later changes, and what the reaction from the Christian world will be.
You almost lost me there Steve. Whenever you go to your bible shtick, it's way above my pay grade. Kidding, because i am always impressed by both your knowledge and your commitment to your faith. For me, 48 years of sobriety, a higher power and believing in right and wrong get us to a similar space.
I'm always intrigued by these mega-church guys who have built a fortune off of their flock. 10's of millions of dollars, living the life of luxury and promoting trump as their savior is a head scratchier (i'm being really kind with that assessment). I find it sinful, but who am i to judge?
Bottom line: Joe Biden, Catholic who regularly attends church (and leads a moral life) or trump who shows up at churches as promotional stunts to help win votes and sell bibles. I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to figure this one out. I just need to know the difference between right or wrong.
I’m reminded of the lines of the classic meme:
I believe Donald Trump was sent by God?
Did he run out of locusts?
That’s funny right there. I don’t care who you are.
Amen and amen! You finally get what I have been trying to say all along, that there are plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump, so we don't have to resort to lies about Jan.6th to get the point across. I will, however, take issue with one thing in your piece, and that is where you say that if judgment is coming, it won't be because of Joe Biden. Rest assured, God will not ignore those who are totally depraved, and always have been. I give you Sodom and Gomorrah. Having said that, as you rightly point out, "judgment begins at the house of God."
Somewhat agree.
There are plenty of reasons to vote against Trump, and January 6 is a big one.
God will judge the depraved. That includes religious hypocrites. We shouldn’t celebrate or rejoice at this fact, but weep for the lost and tremble at our own failings, thanking God for his mercy. We deserve the same fate as the depraved because we are all depraved sinners.
Agreed, except for Jan.6th.
What 'lies' about January 6?
There's no reason to lie at all, given that we all saw what happened on January 6 with our own eyes. It was televised. Some of those miscreants live streamed it. They were happy to commit those acts of sedition and treason.
The lies David Thornton tells concerning Donald Trump's involvement.
Again I ask... WHAT lies?
Be specific. What is it that you say he's lying about? Let's break it down.
Ok, try to follow along, David Thornton keeps saying that Donald Trump is responsible for jan.6th, that he egged on, goaded, and otherwise influenced the crowd to riot, or as he has put it, caused an insurrection. This is not true, therefore it is a lie, and I will never be a party to anyone who says otherwise.
Excellent.
It is God who raise and take away the kings of this world. See Daniel 2:20-22. There are other verses like this. It is his sovereign will to appoint whosoever is needed to lead a nation, be it good or bad. It doesn't mean he's going to override our will when we go to the voting booth this November, however, he will have tools at his disposal to nudge us toward one direction or another.
If God sees fit to allow Trump be reelected to one more term, then so be it. Likewise, if God wants Biden to remain in White House, so be it.
One thing I am absolutely sure about is America will decline spiritually regardless of who is in White House. Since there's nothing about America in the Bible, I have to believe that something profoundly bad will happen to America.
Other than that, it's best to vote with our conscience intact and be sure it's done according to God's will.
Note: Biden lost presidential primaries. He has never lost a general election for Senator, VP, or POTUS - yet.
I wonder where this MacArthur dude comes down on the “morality” of the Orange thing. His “god” would want that? Lol.
There is also always the option of not leading your life based on a book written by a bunch of old farts a couple of millennia ago. I find that far preferable to the alternative.
Wouldn't you rather be loved?
I am. By real actual people who I love.
Then you're blessed.
As Hitchens loved to say, it requires a certain solipsism to believe that, if there was such a thing as “god”, and he/she/it was an all-everything as the tale goes, that he/she/it would give a flying flip about 1 out of 8-Ish billion current examples of 1 species (never mind all the examples who once existed, and the countless more who one day will come into existence) on a tiny speck of dust in a little corner of the universe.
Those "old farts" were mere stenographers. God Himself dictated to them what to write down.
Gonna have to explain the changes to Leviticus. Assumedly it was written correctly the first time, and yet later on someone changed the text.
I wonder if an older existing copy of the Torah will be found that does not include those later changes, and what the reaction from the Christian world will be.
This article is spot on and exactly right and true. I wished more believers knew what they followed better.
You almost lost me there Steve. Whenever you go to your bible shtick, it's way above my pay grade. Kidding, because i am always impressed by both your knowledge and your commitment to your faith. For me, 48 years of sobriety, a higher power and believing in right and wrong get us to a similar space.
I'm always intrigued by these mega-church guys who have built a fortune off of their flock. 10's of millions of dollars, living the life of luxury and promoting trump as their savior is a head scratchier (i'm being really kind with that assessment). I find it sinful, but who am i to judge?
Bottom line: Joe Biden, Catholic who regularly attends church (and leads a moral life) or trump who shows up at churches as promotional stunts to help win votes and sell bibles. I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to figure this one out. I just need to know the difference between right or wrong.
Amen to your sermon by the way. AMEN.
RE: Mega churches - did you see that one in Canada had to pause/cease operations because they couldn't get sexual abuse insurance?