If pardoning the J6 criminals DOES NOT increase the chance of another J6. I'm sympathetic to your argument. If pardoning them DOES increase the chance of similar incident, I'm not going to shed a tear for each visit that Cua has to make with his parole officer and the black mark following him around on his record. (And the effect that having to check in with a parole officer keeps him from associating with any more extremist elements.)
If I had faith that showing mercy in this case would do anything to to help the national mood, I'd be behind you in calling for that. However, as we've seen MANY MANY times, Trump - and those who follow him - look at impulses like mercy as a license to continuing exploiting the system and the "suckers" who let them off the hook.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I was thinking more on Biden's pardons and what separates the three he did not pardon from the others, and I think it's this:
The three that remain committed murder as an attack on the United States itself: Tsarnaev of course as a general terror attack, but the other two as attacks on the idea of the US that all people are equal here regardless of ethnicity/race.
As you noted in the previous discussion, those that committed murder for passion or greed were pardoned: the above simply notes that only those that attacked the US itself - either as an act of general terror or the idea of the US by targeting an ethnic group - were left on Federal Death Row.
Not exactly. What I said was: "I suppose Biden's reasoning is that, somehow, hate crimes are worse than crimes of lust, greed and passion."
I thought it was clear I was questioning Biden's logic and whether he truly believed that the death penalty is wrong. In my subsequent comment to Steve, I further stated: "My original comment was more a question of Joe Biden's logic. He obviously has none. If he deeply feels that the death penalty is wrong, he would have commuted all federal death sentences."
I think that is indeed the logic: that the acts against the US are worse than acts against an individual as acts against the US are acts against all of us.
That's your reasoning, logical or not. It may or not be what the cabal handling Joe Biden had in mind, and it certainly does not explain away conflict with doctrine that death penalty is wrong.
The murders on j6? What murders? Only 1 person was killed on j6, and maybe that could be called murder, but it was Ashli Babbitt, a protestor, who was killed by one of the cops. See, this is the problem concerning that day. So many lies told by media, including writers on this forum, and hacks who only want a pound of flesh from Donald Trump. On that day the slogan was "stop the steal." But now, over 4 years later, it should be "stop the lies."
Seeing Tarrio’s mom on our local news the last 2 days proclaiming his innocence makes me sick to my stomach. For months “Free Tarrio” homemade posters were plastered all over bus stops here. 22 years is not enough for murder. And imho he is guilty as anyone present of the murders on J6. He too will kneel. He can seek forgiveness, but for now I see now remorse and no guarantee he won’t assist Trump in any plan to stay in power indefinitely.
If pardoning the J6 criminals DOES NOT increase the chance of another J6. I'm sympathetic to your argument. If pardoning them DOES increase the chance of similar incident, I'm not going to shed a tear for each visit that Cua has to make with his parole officer and the black mark following him around on his record. (And the effect that having to check in with a parole officer keeps him from associating with any more extremist elements.)
If I had faith that showing mercy in this case would do anything to to help the national mood, I'd be behind you in calling for that. However, as we've seen MANY MANY times, Trump - and those who follow him - look at impulses like mercy as a license to continuing exploiting the system and the "suckers" who let them off the hook.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I was thinking more on Biden's pardons and what separates the three he did not pardon from the others, and I think it's this:
The three that remain committed murder as an attack on the United States itself: Tsarnaev of course as a general terror attack, but the other two as attacks on the idea of the US that all people are equal here regardless of ethnicity/race.
So, all of us are equal except those who deserve to be murdered.
As you noted in the previous discussion, those that committed murder for passion or greed were pardoned: the above simply notes that only those that attacked the US itself - either as an act of general terror or the idea of the US by targeting an ethnic group - were left on Federal Death Row.
Not exactly. What I said was: "I suppose Biden's reasoning is that, somehow, hate crimes are worse than crimes of lust, greed and passion."
I thought it was clear I was questioning Biden's logic and whether he truly believed that the death penalty is wrong. In my subsequent comment to Steve, I further stated: "My original comment was more a question of Joe Biden's logic. He obviously has none. If he deeply feels that the death penalty is wrong, he would have commuted all federal death sentences."
I think that is indeed the logic: that the acts against the US are worse than acts against an individual as acts against the US are acts against all of us.
That's your reasoning, logical or not. It may or not be what the cabal handling Joe Biden had in mind, and it certainly does not explain away conflict with doctrine that death penalty is wrong.
The murders on j6? What murders? Only 1 person was killed on j6, and maybe that could be called murder, but it was Ashli Babbitt, a protestor, who was killed by one of the cops. See, this is the problem concerning that day. So many lies told by media, including writers on this forum, and hacks who only want a pound of flesh from Donald Trump. On that day the slogan was "stop the steal." But now, over 4 years later, it should be "stop the lies."
Seeing Tarrio’s mom on our local news the last 2 days proclaiming his innocence makes me sick to my stomach. For months “Free Tarrio” homemade posters were plastered all over bus stops here. 22 years is not enough for murder. And imho he is guilty as anyone present of the murders on J6. He too will kneel. He can seek forgiveness, but for now I see now remorse and no guarantee he won’t assist Trump in any plan to stay in power indefinitely.
You and Susan should join forces. Who was murdered on Jan 6? Hysterical delusions are not facts.