The last few years has shown how dangerous it is to say “the media lies.” Or imply that they’re intentionally or “obliviously” repeating them. Cuz they’re stupid and don’t know that entities spin their news? We’re smarter than thousands of other journalists who are actually THERE?
No the media didn’t lie, and their words were relating facts in a context your disagreed with. Fair enough. Using your own words, it may have “left out” information you feel is better context.
But you also added words judging intent, words the media didn’t use, like “Other media outlets quickly picked up on the AP story, reporting as if Israel targeted the AP, or the media itself.”
They’re headlines, Steve. Why are we writing articles about the integrity of headlines lacking context when the very definition of a headline is removing context to categorize the story itself which provides more?
Isn’t that the kind of lacking-word usage you’re accusing the media of? In the least, you’re claiming they’re saying Israel targeted the media, which it is not doing. Your *legitimate* concern of missing context is overshadowed by the same kind of implication in word play by saying they “lied” by not saying what you think they should have said. Just say the former... It remains the facts were generally accurate as reported. And perhaps in the rush to information delivery, mistakes or omissions were made. But I am offended by the constant media bashing, and fact-muddying that our side (conservatives) engage in when it doesn’t support our preferences. It happens way too often. This story is only the latest. It forces millions to find their own “truth,” which most of the time results in readers falling upon only the very out-of-context, lacking, slanted information that confirms their own biases, which is the issue that sent them on this quest to begin with, yes?
I don’t think we should push this “media lies” narrative. Let each reader pick, chew through, and find their preferred sources, but bashing this monolithic “media” as a whole is making us less informed, more polarized, severely in denial, or completely wrong on obvious issues.
Covid hoax? The stolen election? Jade Helm? Q? These persist and spread more because of this misleading belief that the media lies. Why legitimize the fringe by bolstering their central argument?
Sorry if this rubs you the wrong way, but the headline was so clearly false I felt compelled to say something. It’s a debate I continue to have with people not just to argue, but out of concern for a wholesale rejection of objectivity we’ve become characterized by. I always thought our side overwhelmingly seeks the truth. I no longer believe that. And I am finding more liberals to be better informed about facts than my own closer circle. They may be wrong on policies or how to fix things, but the facts on what needs fixing are increasingly becoming invisible to an ideology in denial.
That being said, Hamas is wicked. And their tactics, and use of legitimate offenses and cultural crises needs to be called out. That can still happen without the aforementioned tactic on our own side. I see only a difference in morality, but the tactic isn’t that much different, IMO.
The AP lied. They claimed they didn’t know Hamas operated from the building they shared with Hamas for 15 years. It’s a lie. A self-serving lie. Hamas lies. They lie, kill, coerce and commit acts of terror. The AP has a friendly and casual relationship with Hamas. Read the 2014 story from The Atlantic. Was that reporter lying? Hamas relies on the active help of media to perpetrate its propaganda war on Israel. It’s journalistic malpractice to leave out crucial relevant details that affect the tilt of reporting. But the AP and others who embed with Palestinian government and NGOs do it so often and so casually that they don’t even feel the sting. Sorry, but I don’t think this is a liberal vs conservative issue. It’s an Israel vs the world issue. Israel is not perfect or even comparatively great compared to, say, Norway. But Norway doesn’t have Sweden denying its right to exist, bending media to paint it as monstrous, and lobbing a thousand missiles at Oslo.
Do you have evidence of this lie? You have actual proof of their knowing dishonesty? And how is it “self-serving,“ unless you are implying some kind of a moral character in their very souls?
And the constant “they....” who are “they?”
And is this a single instance, or does “the media lie” in general? Your movement between “that reporter“ and “they“ is so subtle that I can’t keep track.
Then I couldn’t help but notice that in neighboring sentences you said the AP lied. Then you said Hamas lies. Is evil, kills people, coerces, etc. surely you’re not equating “the media“ with “acts of terror.“ That’s usually a Maga thing to do.
Fascinating juxtaposition.
The wordplay here is frankly as convenient as you feel theirs is. Just saying.
Reporting what is said by someone who may be lying is not actually lying. And I’ve never seen any proof that “the media“ is lying. You are intentionally using a word that denotes intent, then using it literally in the same paragraph as “kill““ acts of terror.“
This is irresponsible. I consider you responsible, but when it comes to the media you consistently say things that I believe failed to meet that standard.
I disagree. As for evidence, read the 2014 article. Res ipsa loquitur. I’m glad we agree Hamas is wicked. But to say that in the same literal breath as asking for proof they feed propaganda into a captive media is straining imagination. Israel does not intend to kill anyone other than those who plan and execute terror. Hamas wants Israel to kill Palestinian innocents so they can justify killing more Israelis (and they mean all Jews). The AP isn’t a corrupt organization as a whole. However western media covering Israel has a problem. The AP, in this instance, acts to protect its business, and not to pursue the true story. When they say they didn’t know Hamas operated from the building they rented for 15 years, that’s a lie. They knew in 2014. They knew.
I completely agree. Hamas couldn't care less about the actual lives of Palestinians, and the latter are certainly expendable to them in their quest to prevail in the propaganda based narrative against Israel. The media has been woeful in getting the facts straight. It is also pretty revolting that people get their sensibilities all wound up because Israel has the temerity to do what every self-respecting nation would do if they had over a thousand rockets launched against them. And that is to respond in self-defense. Excellent column Steve, thank you.
It's got to be scary to see the public turn on people you care about but Israel is to blame for this mess. The amount of land they have gobbled up over the last couple decades, how they have treated non Jews(even during relative peace), and the brash entitlement they have shown as a nation has turned most of Europe and a good portion of America against them. It says a lot about a nation when the "terrorists" get better press.
The last few years has shown how dangerous it is to say “the media lies.” Or imply that they’re intentionally or “obliviously” repeating them. Cuz they’re stupid and don’t know that entities spin their news? We’re smarter than thousands of other journalists who are actually THERE?
No the media didn’t lie, and their words were relating facts in a context your disagreed with. Fair enough. Using your own words, it may have “left out” information you feel is better context.
But you also added words judging intent, words the media didn’t use, like “Other media outlets quickly picked up on the AP story, reporting as if Israel targeted the AP, or the media itself.”
They’re headlines, Steve. Why are we writing articles about the integrity of headlines lacking context when the very definition of a headline is removing context to categorize the story itself which provides more?
Isn’t that the kind of lacking-word usage you’re accusing the media of? In the least, you’re claiming they’re saying Israel targeted the media, which it is not doing. Your *legitimate* concern of missing context is overshadowed by the same kind of implication in word play by saying they “lied” by not saying what you think they should have said. Just say the former... It remains the facts were generally accurate as reported. And perhaps in the rush to information delivery, mistakes or omissions were made. But I am offended by the constant media bashing, and fact-muddying that our side (conservatives) engage in when it doesn’t support our preferences. It happens way too often. This story is only the latest. It forces millions to find their own “truth,” which most of the time results in readers falling upon only the very out-of-context, lacking, slanted information that confirms their own biases, which is the issue that sent them on this quest to begin with, yes?
I don’t think we should push this “media lies” narrative. Let each reader pick, chew through, and find their preferred sources, but bashing this monolithic “media” as a whole is making us less informed, more polarized, severely in denial, or completely wrong on obvious issues.
Covid hoax? The stolen election? Jade Helm? Q? These persist and spread more because of this misleading belief that the media lies. Why legitimize the fringe by bolstering their central argument?
Sorry if this rubs you the wrong way, but the headline was so clearly false I felt compelled to say something. It’s a debate I continue to have with people not just to argue, but out of concern for a wholesale rejection of objectivity we’ve become characterized by. I always thought our side overwhelmingly seeks the truth. I no longer believe that. And I am finding more liberals to be better informed about facts than my own closer circle. They may be wrong on policies or how to fix things, but the facts on what needs fixing are increasingly becoming invisible to an ideology in denial.
That being said, Hamas is wicked. And their tactics, and use of legitimate offenses and cultural crises needs to be called out. That can still happen without the aforementioned tactic on our own side. I see only a difference in morality, but the tactic isn’t that much different, IMO.
The AP lied. They claimed they didn’t know Hamas operated from the building they shared with Hamas for 15 years. It’s a lie. A self-serving lie. Hamas lies. They lie, kill, coerce and commit acts of terror. The AP has a friendly and casual relationship with Hamas. Read the 2014 story from The Atlantic. Was that reporter lying? Hamas relies on the active help of media to perpetrate its propaganda war on Israel. It’s journalistic malpractice to leave out crucial relevant details that affect the tilt of reporting. But the AP and others who embed with Palestinian government and NGOs do it so often and so casually that they don’t even feel the sting. Sorry, but I don’t think this is a liberal vs conservative issue. It’s an Israel vs the world issue. Israel is not perfect or even comparatively great compared to, say, Norway. But Norway doesn’t have Sweden denying its right to exist, bending media to paint it as monstrous, and lobbing a thousand missiles at Oslo.
Do you have evidence of this lie? You have actual proof of their knowing dishonesty? And how is it “self-serving,“ unless you are implying some kind of a moral character in their very souls?
And the constant “they....” who are “they?”
And is this a single instance, or does “the media lie” in general? Your movement between “that reporter“ and “they“ is so subtle that I can’t keep track.
Then I couldn’t help but notice that in neighboring sentences you said the AP lied. Then you said Hamas lies. Is evil, kills people, coerces, etc. surely you’re not equating “the media“ with “acts of terror.“ That’s usually a Maga thing to do.
Fascinating juxtaposition.
The wordplay here is frankly as convenient as you feel theirs is. Just saying.
Reporting what is said by someone who may be lying is not actually lying. And I’ve never seen any proof that “the media“ is lying. You are intentionally using a word that denotes intent, then using it literally in the same paragraph as “kill““ acts of terror.“
This is irresponsible. I consider you responsible, but when it comes to the media you consistently say things that I believe failed to meet that standard.
I disagree. As for evidence, read the 2014 article. Res ipsa loquitur. I’m glad we agree Hamas is wicked. But to say that in the same literal breath as asking for proof they feed propaganda into a captive media is straining imagination. Israel does not intend to kill anyone other than those who plan and execute terror. Hamas wants Israel to kill Palestinian innocents so they can justify killing more Israelis (and they mean all Jews). The AP isn’t a corrupt organization as a whole. However western media covering Israel has a problem. The AP, in this instance, acts to protect its business, and not to pursue the true story. When they say they didn’t know Hamas operated from the building they rented for 15 years, that’s a lie. They knew in 2014. They knew.
I completely agree. Hamas couldn't care less about the actual lives of Palestinians, and the latter are certainly expendable to them in their quest to prevail in the propaganda based narrative against Israel. The media has been woeful in getting the facts straight. It is also pretty revolting that people get their sensibilities all wound up because Israel has the temerity to do what every self-respecting nation would do if they had over a thousand rockets launched against them. And that is to respond in self-defense. Excellent column Steve, thank you.
It's got to be scary to see the public turn on people you care about but Israel is to blame for this mess. The amount of land they have gobbled up over the last couple decades, how they have treated non Jews(even during relative peace), and the brash entitlement they have shown as a nation has turned most of Europe and a good portion of America against them. It says a lot about a nation when the "terrorists" get better press.
Israel is to blame for Hamas wanting to destroy them. Okay.
"terrorists" ... really?