An important point I just found out this week: common COVID "cures" -- ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and remdesivir were all tested on HEK293. Just like, you guessed it, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
For starters David, "God didn't make the vaccine," trump did. At least that is true in Georgia where they put up the billboard telling us they are one in the same. Thank God (pun intended) someone had the good sense to take it down. Never did read the article on it, are you familiar with who was behind it and why it came down so quickly?
Earlier in the week i read a story about alternative costs to treat covid19 patients. It was staggering how much more expensive it was than the current vaccines. Then this morning i read about the Florida woman who finally found a hospital for her husband to get specialized treatment; i think she had called 169 hospitals and it just turned out a doctor in Massachusetts (i think) saw the video package on CNN and called her. Saved his life after a 1200 mile flight and months in the hospital. What do you think that bill came to?
I know the money becomes immaterial to people, but once someone goes into the hospital with covid19, someone is going to pay. Then add in the stories of people not being able to access care for other life threatening issues and at some point a person has to ask themselves "why am i being such a selfish jerk?" Hardly the Christian thing to do.
Finally, we couldn't end this discussion without asking your followers to pray for Nicki Minaj's cousin. Such a tragic story and it has to be true because Tucker Carlson told us so. Can i get an Amen please?
You understand Christian as much as you understand the ineffectiveness of the jab. But remember, it is your choice to believe that the shot will protect you from getting the virus, and your choice to get it, and that includes your choice to accept all the side effects including pain, redness or swelling where the shot was given, fever, fatigue, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, nausea, vomiting, swollen lymph node, and long term or permanent side effects like Guillain-Barre Syndrome, myocarditus, and simply coincidental death after getting the jab. So you have no reason to gripe about those who choose to not get the jab since you are protected. Your choice. Your body. You are protected! So there's no problem. Now everyone take a much deserved rest, stop hating and stop worrying and fretting about all those evil unvaccinated people who can't possibly harm you anyway, and be at peace.
As for existential variants, while vaccines do not provide perfect efficacy against infection and transmission, but they prevent it to a significant degree. And the efficacy of the vaccines preventing serious illness requiring hospitalization is much higher than merely preventing infection/transmission. Yes, efficacy is not perfect. But a lack of perfect efficacy of the vaccines is not a valid argument for claiming that they are "ineffective". Imperfect efficacy is mitigated as more people get vaccinated. That is why medical professionals are urging people to get the Covid-19 vaccine. That others get vaccinated adds layers of protection, and mitigates against potential new strains of Covid-19 mutating. One has to remember that since vaccines for polio was developed in the 1950s, cases dropped dramatically. As there were fewer people unvaccinated for polio, the disease had limited ability to spread and mutate. Eventually, polio was eradicated within the US by 1994.
According to every piece of reliable data that is out on the effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines, the facts do not bear out your conclusion that the Covid-19 jabs are ineffective. Not even close. The vaccines work, and they are effective. That is a factual conclusion.
Also remember that there are consequences that accompany every choice you make. In some cases, our choices, whether good or bad, affect others with secondary and tertiary consequences. Bill is right in mentioning how many hospitals are filled with Covid patients in areas where a low percentage of the population have been vaccinated. And in many cases, patients for different illnesses that require hospitalization are having a hard time getting admitted to a hospital bed. Their wellbeing is being impacted due to people who chose not to get vaccinated, got infected, and are hospitalized as a result. So the idea that we can do whatever we want because it won't hurt others, is not always true. In these times, a little selflessness goes a long way.
I usually don't waste my time, but your response was so Interesting, i will make an exception. First sentence: apparently you believe you understand Christianity better than me (which may well be true), so are you saying it is a "Christian thing" to let others die because of your own selfishness? Just want to be clear on that little point.
Then into the email you tell me the how little i understand the "ineffectiveness" of the shot and you conclude with a statement that i am protected so why worry. Which is it?
By the way, i don't really give two shits if you get the shot, your body, your choice. Just try and be Christian enough to to kill others with your foolishness.
I saw a post on twitter where Breitbart actually argues that liberals are using our elite minds to trick republicans not to take the life saving "trump vaccine".
Is David Thornton unchristian? "Hopefully, employees with sincerely held religious beliefs would not lie on the form. " No, hopefully employers with sincerely half a brain will realize this is a leftist piece of propaganda. Do your research. One example: aspirin was discovered in 1837 - what fetal cell line was used to test it? Idiots all.
How is David unchristian? There really is no doctrinal exemption for Christians getting vaccinated against all sorts of diseases. The only legitimate exception would be if a person's medical condition wouldn't permit them to get vaccinated. Christians have been getting vaccinated for measles, polio, whooping cough, etc for decades. There hasn't been any widespread protest that getting vaccinated is unchristian, save it be a few among the fringe extremes. David is a devout Christian, and one of two greatest commandments(Matthew 22:39) of Christ is to "love thy neighbor as thyself". He cares about the wellbeing of others, and it does hurt to see so many people needlessly suffer and die of a disease that was almost entirely preventable. Not to mention families and friends of those who died also suffer. That is why we want people to get vaccinated. That David does so in his well written column here in urging people to get vaccinated, is very consistent with him being a good Christian.
As for aspirin, there really isn't any doctrinal prohibition for Christians from taking aspirin. Since Felix Hoffman of Beyer developed commercial doses of Aspirin from 1897-1899, Christians worldwide have been using it without complaint.
An important point I just found out this week: common COVID "cures" -- ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and remdesivir were all tested on HEK293. Just like, you guessed it, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
For starters David, "God didn't make the vaccine," trump did. At least that is true in Georgia where they put up the billboard telling us they are one in the same. Thank God (pun intended) someone had the good sense to take it down. Never did read the article on it, are you familiar with who was behind it and why it came down so quickly?
Earlier in the week i read a story about alternative costs to treat covid19 patients. It was staggering how much more expensive it was than the current vaccines. Then this morning i read about the Florida woman who finally found a hospital for her husband to get specialized treatment; i think she had called 169 hospitals and it just turned out a doctor in Massachusetts (i think) saw the video package on CNN and called her. Saved his life after a 1200 mile flight and months in the hospital. What do you think that bill came to?
I know the money becomes immaterial to people, but once someone goes into the hospital with covid19, someone is going to pay. Then add in the stories of people not being able to access care for other life threatening issues and at some point a person has to ask themselves "why am i being such a selfish jerk?" Hardly the Christian thing to do.
Finally, we couldn't end this discussion without asking your followers to pray for Nicki Minaj's cousin. Such a tragic story and it has to be true because Tucker Carlson told us so. Can i get an Amen please?
Not that I agree with all of it but your writing shows imagination. Vaccinations are a bargain compared to the alternatives.
You understand Christian as much as you understand the ineffectiveness of the jab. But remember, it is your choice to believe that the shot will protect you from getting the virus, and your choice to get it, and that includes your choice to accept all the side effects including pain, redness or swelling where the shot was given, fever, fatigue, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, nausea, vomiting, swollen lymph node, and long term or permanent side effects like Guillain-Barre Syndrome, myocarditus, and simply coincidental death after getting the jab. So you have no reason to gripe about those who choose to not get the jab since you are protected. Your choice. Your body. You are protected! So there's no problem. Now everyone take a much deserved rest, stop hating and stop worrying and fretting about all those evil unvaccinated people who can't possibly harm you anyway, and be at peace.
As for existential variants, while vaccines do not provide perfect efficacy against infection and transmission, but they prevent it to a significant degree. And the efficacy of the vaccines preventing serious illness requiring hospitalization is much higher than merely preventing infection/transmission. Yes, efficacy is not perfect. But a lack of perfect efficacy of the vaccines is not a valid argument for claiming that they are "ineffective". Imperfect efficacy is mitigated as more people get vaccinated. That is why medical professionals are urging people to get the Covid-19 vaccine. That others get vaccinated adds layers of protection, and mitigates against potential new strains of Covid-19 mutating. One has to remember that since vaccines for polio was developed in the 1950s, cases dropped dramatically. As there were fewer people unvaccinated for polio, the disease had limited ability to spread and mutate. Eventually, polio was eradicated within the US by 1994.
According to every piece of reliable data that is out on the effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines, the facts do not bear out your conclusion that the Covid-19 jabs are ineffective. Not even close. The vaccines work, and they are effective. That is a factual conclusion.
Also remember that there are consequences that accompany every choice you make. In some cases, our choices, whether good or bad, affect others with secondary and tertiary consequences. Bill is right in mentioning how many hospitals are filled with Covid patients in areas where a low percentage of the population have been vaccinated. And in many cases, patients for different illnesses that require hospitalization are having a hard time getting admitted to a hospital bed. Their wellbeing is being impacted due to people who chose not to get vaccinated, got infected, and are hospitalized as a result. So the idea that we can do whatever we want because it won't hurt others, is not always true. In these times, a little selflessness goes a long way.
I usually don't waste my time, but your response was so Interesting, i will make an exception. First sentence: apparently you believe you understand Christianity better than me (which may well be true), so are you saying it is a "Christian thing" to let others die because of your own selfishness? Just want to be clear on that little point.
Then into the email you tell me the how little i understand the "ineffectiveness" of the shot and you conclude with a statement that i am protected so why worry. Which is it?
By the way, i don't really give two shits if you get the shot, your body, your choice. Just try and be Christian enough to to kill others with your foolishness.
I saw a post on twitter where Breitbart actually argues that liberals are using our elite minds to trick republicans not to take the life saving "trump vaccine".
Is David Thornton unchristian? "Hopefully, employees with sincerely held religious beliefs would not lie on the form. " No, hopefully employers with sincerely half a brain will realize this is a leftist piece of propaganda. Do your research. One example: aspirin was discovered in 1837 - what fetal cell line was used to test it? Idiots all.
How is David unchristian? There really is no doctrinal exemption for Christians getting vaccinated against all sorts of diseases. The only legitimate exception would be if a person's medical condition wouldn't permit them to get vaccinated. Christians have been getting vaccinated for measles, polio, whooping cough, etc for decades. There hasn't been any widespread protest that getting vaccinated is unchristian, save it be a few among the fringe extremes. David is a devout Christian, and one of two greatest commandments(Matthew 22:39) of Christ is to "love thy neighbor as thyself". He cares about the wellbeing of others, and it does hurt to see so many people needlessly suffer and die of a disease that was almost entirely preventable. Not to mention families and friends of those who died also suffer. That is why we want people to get vaccinated. That David does so in his well written column here in urging people to get vaccinated, is very consistent with him being a good Christian.
As for aspirin, there really isn't any doctrinal prohibition for Christians from taking aspirin. Since Felix Hoffman of Beyer developed commercial doses of Aspirin from 1897-1899, Christians worldwide have been using it without complaint.