Could be but I doubt it. Chris certainly does research but some sources may be skewed or opinionated. I quickly reach my limit when forced to research competing sources.
Jonah got his first 2 vaxxes early on and didn't get the booster. Still, he didn't get a horrible case just a crummy one and we don't know if it was Delta or Omi. It is my understanding that a group off them all got sick around the same time and those who were boosted faired better.
Seems that immunity from the vaxxes wear off a few months down the road so if you aren't boosted then think about putting on the full armor.
Dr Jha is predicting the SE US is about to get slammed with rising cases so get crackin' and get your shots, people. Georgia was specifically listed along with Mississippi, Alabama.
On the day when Joe Biden moved into the Whitehouse, earlier this year, John Hopkins University Covid tracking web site reported that the total number of deaths associated with Covid 19 was 406,196 American Residents. Today, after a year with vaccines, months of mandates for those vaccines, masks, lockdowns, travel restrictions and people loosing their jobs and Americans being turned against each other by the Political class, the additional number of reported deaths associated with covid is 409,220. That is more than the number of covid related deaths than happened during the Trump Administration. Tell me why we have to put up with the BS that is the Biden plan for crushing covid. What he is doing is providing worse results than anything we experienced in the last administration. It is time for a new reality, Government 's efforts on the Covid front have just made the situation worse, they are not the solution they may in fact be the problem.
"It is time for a new reality, Government's efforts on the Covid front have just made the situation worse, they are not the solution they may in fact be the problem."
What is the "Penner Plan to Beat COVID", then?
Also, when it comes to your math, you might be interested in the following (based on your numbers):
406,196 deaths on Jan. 17, 2021 (Inauguration Day), 325 days after the first recorded US COVID death (Feb. 26, 2020) => 1250 average deaths per day under Trump.
409,220 deaths on Jan. 2022 (today), 350 days since Biden's first full day in office => 1169 average deaths per day under Biden.
If you want to ding Biden - using your numbers - the best you can say is that despite the availability of the vaccine during his tenure, he's been pretty close to as ineffectual at dealing with the pandemic as Trump. Of course, this ignores a whole bunch of relevant context, but at least controls for different durations of time each President was responsible for working on COVID.
For the sake of transparency (one of the things that we are hard pressed to find in this covid response), my numbers were based on a previous post. The Biden mortality figures of of 1/3/22 are 419187. According to your calculation that results in a daily death count of 1200.
I think it is just as ridiculous to ding Biden with responsibility for these deaths as it was to ding President Trump for the deaths that occurred during his presidency.
I don't have a plan to overcome this virus but I do know that what is being done now is not working. I can blame this administration for not seeing this is the case and coming up with a different approach. I think it is also important that the President say something to that effect to help mitigate the divide that he is now creating.
"I think it is also important that the President say something to that effect to help mitigate the divide that he is now creating."
I'm very curious what you think he could say that would bridge anything. I just finished watching Candace Owens ding Trump for not being sufficiently anti-vaccine[1], and if Trump has lost those folks on the other side of the vaccine divide, I can't imagine a single thing Biden could say that would do anything productive.
Personally, I think we're beyond the point where any additional rhetoric is productive (being anti-vax is now a cultural signifier, as Reddit's r/HermanCainAward board[2] demonstrates), so it makes as much sense to me to switch over to a "mandate" approach as it does a laissez faire "you're on your own" approach, as we wasted a large part of 2020 trying to persuade people (including cash incentives) to do what is right for them and their communities. (I suspect that Biden's actually probably doing his 2024 electoral chances a disservice trying to help anti-vax voters instead of letting them play games of COVID chicken with Natural Selection, who will end up reliable anti-Biden votes if they survive.)
Finally, with respect to the numbers, the ones I pulled up ended being 437,191 deaths on Biden's watch (1,249 per day) versus 388,892 on Trump's watch (1,196 per day). That makes Biden's tenure look a wee bit worse (but still basically the same as Trump's), but Biden inherited a country in the middle of a winter COVID wave (and is going through its second annual winter wave), where Trump's tenure overlapped with only half a winter wave, as well as a couple of months where the virus wasn't ubiquitous yet.
I can't agree with much you said but you are entitled to believe what you believe.
I would only offer this, Biden could tell the truth, that the Virus response is a big learning experience and he does not have any more of a solution than the last administration did. If he was trying to get the country united, he would apologize for claiming that Trump was to blame for mortality during his presidency.
The fact that the Biden numbers are even close to the President Trump numbers tells you all you need to know about what is going on. Vaccine is the key to that .
I don't believe that a "you are on your own approach" is the only alternative to the failed present approach but that being said, I still do not have a solution to solve the issue.
"The fact that the Biden numbers are even close to the President Trump numbers tells you all you need to know about what is going on. Vaccine is the key to that."
I'm curious - and it's unclear to me how the vaccine is key - do you think that the number of deaths / hospitalizations / etc. would be higher or lower if Pfizer/Moderna/J&J were not successful in creating a vaccine?
Which is precisely why all that "relevant context" I mention in my initial response matters.
In a decade's time or so, an aspiring political scientist will write a really interesting book on the anti-vax attitude and how it played out electorally in a country with a recent history of REALLY close elections.
62% eligible have been vaccinated, and a non-insignificant portion of the population can't be vaxxed (0-5 year olds). The 38% that have refused vaccination are keeping the pandemic going by getting infected, spawning new mutations, and dying. They have refused to get the vaccine, in many cases, due to political reasons - some that you have argued yourself here in the comments section in the past year. That was THEIR decision, and yet somehow that's Biden's fault?
Are you intentionally embodying a political cartoon that was going around the last week or so, with pretty much exactly the above, on purpose?
I did not see the political cartoon that you referenced. I followed these numbers as a result of the comments by Biden that the deaths in 2020 were the fault of President Trump. The claim was ridiculous and I was watching to justify the belief that the comment was irresponsible.
The fact that these mortality numbers grew so fast with vaccines being distributed, led me to questioning the premise behind the government's covid response. I am afraid your analysis does not explain the the situation. The at risk population for covid related death is vaccinated at levels over 90%. Kids and healthy adults don't die as a result of covid infection and they constitute the population that have rejected the vaccine. I don't believe I am arguing in bad faith, I see the problem and don't have the solution but know what we are doing, is not working.
Expected that argument from you. At what rate do kids and healthy adults die with covid? Enough to make Biden's numbers so disastrous. I don't see the evidence of that. The percentage of those has not gone up since the vaccine has been distributed. Virus mutations may be the answer to this plandemic, this last one is getting pretty close to the mortality rate of a bad flu season. Maybe we just have to wait out the mutatioins until mortality rates drop further.
You don't really care to look the numbers up yourself, and you don't really care if I look them up and present them or present articles of healthy 20/30 year olds dying of COVID - while still ignoring that the majority of deaths are from the unvaccinated.
You're not worth my time, because you aren't actually here to have a discussion or debate - you just want to spew your filth wherever possible.
Could be but I doubt it. Chris certainly does research but some sources may be skewed or opinionated. I quickly reach my limit when forced to research competing sources.
Jonah got his first 2 vaxxes early on and didn't get the booster. Still, he didn't get a horrible case just a crummy one and we don't know if it was Delta or Omi. It is my understanding that a group off them all got sick around the same time and those who were boosted faired better.
Seems that immunity from the vaxxes wear off a few months down the road so if you aren't boosted then think about putting on the full armor.
Dr Jha is predicting the SE US is about to get slammed with rising cases so get crackin' and get your shots, people. Georgia was specifically listed along with Mississippi, Alabama.
On the day when Joe Biden moved into the Whitehouse, earlier this year, John Hopkins University Covid tracking web site reported that the total number of deaths associated with Covid 19 was 406,196 American Residents. Today, after a year with vaccines, months of mandates for those vaccines, masks, lockdowns, travel restrictions and people loosing their jobs and Americans being turned against each other by the Political class, the additional number of reported deaths associated with covid is 409,220. That is more than the number of covid related deaths than happened during the Trump Administration. Tell me why we have to put up with the BS that is the Biden plan for crushing covid. What he is doing is providing worse results than anything we experienced in the last administration. It is time for a new reality, Government 's efforts on the Covid front have just made the situation worse, they are not the solution they may in fact be the problem.
"It is time for a new reality, Government's efforts on the Covid front have just made the situation worse, they are not the solution they may in fact be the problem."
What is the "Penner Plan to Beat COVID", then?
Also, when it comes to your math, you might be interested in the following (based on your numbers):
406,196 deaths on Jan. 17, 2021 (Inauguration Day), 325 days after the first recorded US COVID death (Feb. 26, 2020) => 1250 average deaths per day under Trump.
409,220 deaths on Jan. 2022 (today), 350 days since Biden's first full day in office => 1169 average deaths per day under Biden.
If you want to ding Biden - using your numbers - the best you can say is that despite the availability of the vaccine during his tenure, he's been pretty close to as ineffectual at dealing with the pandemic as Trump. Of course, this ignores a whole bunch of relevant context, but at least controls for different durations of time each President was responsible for working on COVID.
For the sake of transparency (one of the things that we are hard pressed to find in this covid response), my numbers were based on a previous post. The Biden mortality figures of of 1/3/22 are 419187. According to your calculation that results in a daily death count of 1200.
I think it is just as ridiculous to ding Biden with responsibility for these deaths as it was to ding President Trump for the deaths that occurred during his presidency.
I don't have a plan to overcome this virus but I do know that what is being done now is not working. I can blame this administration for not seeing this is the case and coming up with a different approach. I think it is also important that the President say something to that effect to help mitigate the divide that he is now creating.
"I think it is also important that the President say something to that effect to help mitigate the divide that he is now creating."
I'm very curious what you think he could say that would bridge anything. I just finished watching Candace Owens ding Trump for not being sufficiently anti-vaccine[1], and if Trump has lost those folks on the other side of the vaccine divide, I can't imagine a single thing Biden could say that would do anything productive.
Personally, I think we're beyond the point where any additional rhetoric is productive (being anti-vax is now a cultural signifier, as Reddit's r/HermanCainAward board[2] demonstrates), so it makes as much sense to me to switch over to a "mandate" approach as it does a laissez faire "you're on your own" approach, as we wasted a large part of 2020 trying to persuade people (including cash incentives) to do what is right for them and their communities. (I suspect that Biden's actually probably doing his 2024 electoral chances a disservice trying to help anti-vax voters instead of letting them play games of COVID chicken with Natural Selection, who will end up reliable anti-Biden votes if they survive.)
Finally, with respect to the numbers, the ones I pulled up ended being 437,191 deaths on Biden's watch (1,249 per day) versus 388,892 on Trump's watch (1,196 per day). That makes Biden's tenure look a wee bit worse (but still basically the same as Trump's), but Biden inherited a country in the middle of a winter COVID wave (and is going through its second annual winter wave), where Trump's tenure overlapped with only half a winter wave, as well as a couple of months where the virus wasn't ubiquitous yet.
[1] https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474473371391995908
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
I can't agree with much you said but you are entitled to believe what you believe.
I would only offer this, Biden could tell the truth, that the Virus response is a big learning experience and he does not have any more of a solution than the last administration did. If he was trying to get the country united, he would apologize for claiming that Trump was to blame for mortality during his presidency.
The fact that the Biden numbers are even close to the President Trump numbers tells you all you need to know about what is going on. Vaccine is the key to that .
I don't believe that a "you are on your own approach" is the only alternative to the failed present approach but that being said, I still do not have a solution to solve the issue.
"The fact that the Biden numbers are even close to the President Trump numbers tells you all you need to know about what is going on. Vaccine is the key to that."
I'm curious - and it's unclear to me how the vaccine is key - do you think that the number of deaths / hospitalizations / etc. would be higher or lower if Pfizer/Moderna/J&J were not successful in creating a vaccine?
I would expect them to be higher.
And of course, this still puts the blame on Biden for the willingly unvaccinated dead's irresponsibility and intransigence.
Which is precisely why all that "relevant context" I mention in my initial response matters.
In a decade's time or so, an aspiring political scientist will write a really interesting book on the anti-vax attitude and how it played out electorally in a country with a recent history of REALLY close elections.
62% eligible have been vaccinated, and a non-insignificant portion of the population can't be vaxxed (0-5 year olds). The 38% that have refused vaccination are keeping the pandemic going by getting infected, spawning new mutations, and dying. They have refused to get the vaccine, in many cases, due to political reasons - some that you have argued yourself here in the comments section in the past year. That was THEIR decision, and yet somehow that's Biden's fault?
Are you intentionally embodying a political cartoon that was going around the last week or so, with pretty much exactly the above, on purpose?
Talk about arguing in bad faith, Larry...
I did not see the political cartoon that you referenced. I followed these numbers as a result of the comments by Biden that the deaths in 2020 were the fault of President Trump. The claim was ridiculous and I was watching to justify the belief that the comment was irresponsible.
The fact that these mortality numbers grew so fast with vaccines being distributed, led me to questioning the premise behind the government's covid response. I am afraid your analysis does not explain the the situation. The at risk population for covid related death is vaccinated at levels over 90%. Kids and healthy adults don't die as a result of covid infection and they constitute the population that have rejected the vaccine. I don't believe I am arguing in bad faith, I see the problem and don't have the solution but know what we are doing, is not working.
Yes, kids and healthy adults do in fact die of COVID - but you don't really care because it doesn't fit your chosen narrative.
And that still doesn't help in regard to mutations perpetuating this pandemic.
Do better Larry.
Expected that argument from you. At what rate do kids and healthy adults die with covid? Enough to make Biden's numbers so disastrous. I don't see the evidence of that. The percentage of those has not gone up since the vaccine has been distributed. Virus mutations may be the answer to this plandemic, this last one is getting pretty close to the mortality rate of a bad flu season. Maybe we just have to wait out the mutatioins until mortality rates drop further.
And there we have it" a "plandemic" believer.
You don't really care to look the numbers up yourself, and you don't really care if I look them up and present them or present articles of healthy 20/30 year olds dying of COVID - while still ignoring that the majority of deaths are from the unvaccinated.
You're not worth my time, because you aren't actually here to have a discussion or debate - you just want to spew your filth wherever possible.
Hate runs deep in your soul.