I think that where there can be broad agreement, regardless of what one's views on immigration are, is the need to restore the proper balance of power between the legislative and executive branch. Even though Biden has been POTUS for only 6 months, assuming that he remains constant on the issue of executive power(time will tell), he seems to have a stronger respect for the limitations of powers of the executive branch, than Trump and Obama. Given his almost 34 years of service in the US Senate before he became VP in 2009, he would have a better appreciation for the prerogatives of the legislature. While Trump and Obama issued executive orders that were clearly outside the scope of the statutes and the Constitution, other executive orders, as shocking as they were, were within the scope of the law. I was shocked to the extent that Congress has empowered the executive branch, delegating and ceding away many of the powers that really should be within the prerogative of our national legislature. Republicans are only concerned about runaway executive power when a Democrat is in the White House, and Democrats the same with a GOPer as President.
Congress should not be shy in reclaiming these powers, as to not give any President, regardless of party, any opening to exercise powers that a President should not have. Let's start by at least limiting the President's powers to unilaterally impose tariffs, as we all saw what can happened the last 4 years, when that power is abused by the now former President. And do the same with other powers in which the delegation/ceding of such have relegated Congress to the sidelines.
As for immigration, I think the right has a tendency to morally conflate legal immigration with illegal immigration. The progressive left has the tendency to downplay illegal immigration by morally conflating it with legal immigration. Neither is correct.
As for immigration, conservatives should offer proposals that do not punish children for the deeds of their parents(something along the lines of DACA), increase legal immigration(it's great for our economy and our society in the collective. Immigrants coming to the US, assimilating, contributing their talents and working hard for a better life, is quintessentially American), and also provide common sense disincentives for illegal border crossings and visa overstays, the latter being the main cause of illegal immigration. One can be strongly against illegal immigration and still be strongly pro-immigration. I consider myself an immigration moderate, and I think that is a sweet spot where a broad consensus of Americans from left to right are at.
I bet Manchin cried when he heard the ruling. I have a hard time seeing 10 republicans break ranks to give Biden such a huge political win and if Manchin won't break the filibuster to save the dreamers he will lose all left wing support.
DACA is a good program for the affected immigrants who were brought here illegally as minors. I suppose they are anchors for their parents who should receive no citizen benefits. The DACA recipients should not be allowed to sponsor any others, including relatives, for citizenship. My opinion is that the parents should be deported once the recipients are 21 years old.
I don't think he wants to deport the Dreamers, just the parents who put them in this legal jeopardy once the Dreamer can be self-sufficient. This makes sense for able-bodied Dreamers who should be able to support themselves, but will create issues for any disabled Dreamers who may not be capable of a self-sufficient lifestyle.
Thanks! At age 21, well-behaved DACA recipients should be citizens. They can send money to their parents and obtain passports for visits. I dislike chain immigration however it comes about. Immigration should be vetted and a net positive.
Able-bodied dreamers is what I had in mind. But, you made me think. I believe we could accommodate those situations because a few hundred extra people on welfare would not make much difference. However, it does make a case for doing more to prevent human smuggling. And every exception weakens the rule of law.
Focusing on the wrong part of his post. "The DACA recipients should not be allowed to sponsor any others, including relatives, for citizenship." If you think the dreamers are innocent pawns in their parents quest then why would you add that? Their parents would have already been deported and unable to return, so all you are doing is reminding the dreamer that he doesn't really belong here and he won't be enjoying the full fruit of his citizenship. It's unbelievably cruel.
I added that because I do not believe the parents would have been deported and I disapprove of chain immigration in all cases. Spouses and kids should be a self-supporting unit to be granted legal immigrant status, No Uncle Fester or Cousin Itt.
I believe all applicants, including family units (spouses and kids), should be able to qualify on their own to be granted legal immigration status. So I guess my answer is yes.
Why do you care? If their family member is able and willing to be a productive member of society then who cares? There has to be a reason you are against this.
If that were true, they should be able to apply and qualify on their merits as motivated individuals. In reality, there are many immigrants who aren't self-sufficient taking advantage of US aid programs. Theoretically the feds should be able to sue sponsors to recover the cost of benefits paid illegally. You can imagine how that works when the Biden administration won't arrest or deport pregnant illegals.
So if parents get here to raise a DACA kid when he’s 6, stay 15 years, send him to college, their graduation gift if deportation? Think that through please.
I have. The parents are here illegally. My preference would be to deport them all immediately upon arrival. But the politicians continue to play games with asylum scams and unaccompanied minors and granting criminal state governments aid to protect and nurture the illegals. Those same criminal states ignore federal laws with impunity and continue to receive federal grants.
Do we need to send some DVDs or iTunes links to our Congress critters to remind them how all this works? If so, I have the perfect one to send:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag
I think that where there can be broad agreement, regardless of what one's views on immigration are, is the need to restore the proper balance of power between the legislative and executive branch. Even though Biden has been POTUS for only 6 months, assuming that he remains constant on the issue of executive power(time will tell), he seems to have a stronger respect for the limitations of powers of the executive branch, than Trump and Obama. Given his almost 34 years of service in the US Senate before he became VP in 2009, he would have a better appreciation for the prerogatives of the legislature. While Trump and Obama issued executive orders that were clearly outside the scope of the statutes and the Constitution, other executive orders, as shocking as they were, were within the scope of the law. I was shocked to the extent that Congress has empowered the executive branch, delegating and ceding away many of the powers that really should be within the prerogative of our national legislature. Republicans are only concerned about runaway executive power when a Democrat is in the White House, and Democrats the same with a GOPer as President.
Congress should not be shy in reclaiming these powers, as to not give any President, regardless of party, any opening to exercise powers that a President should not have. Let's start by at least limiting the President's powers to unilaterally impose tariffs, as we all saw what can happened the last 4 years, when that power is abused by the now former President. And do the same with other powers in which the delegation/ceding of such have relegated Congress to the sidelines.
As for immigration, I think the right has a tendency to morally conflate legal immigration with illegal immigration. The progressive left has the tendency to downplay illegal immigration by morally conflating it with legal immigration. Neither is correct.
As for immigration, conservatives should offer proposals that do not punish children for the deeds of their parents(something along the lines of DACA), increase legal immigration(it's great for our economy and our society in the collective. Immigrants coming to the US, assimilating, contributing their talents and working hard for a better life, is quintessentially American), and also provide common sense disincentives for illegal border crossings and visa overstays, the latter being the main cause of illegal immigration. One can be strongly against illegal immigration and still be strongly pro-immigration. I consider myself an immigration moderate, and I think that is a sweet spot where a broad consensus of Americans from left to right are at.
I bet Manchin cried when he heard the ruling. I have a hard time seeing 10 republicans break ranks to give Biden such a huge political win and if Manchin won't break the filibuster to save the dreamers he will lose all left wing support.
DACA is a good program for the affected immigrants who were brought here illegally as minors. I suppose they are anchors for their parents who should receive no citizen benefits. The DACA recipients should not be allowed to sponsor any others, including relatives, for citizenship. My opinion is that the parents should be deported once the recipients are 21 years old.
Gotta get in that one final reminder that they aren't really Americans.
I don't think he wants to deport the Dreamers, just the parents who put them in this legal jeopardy once the Dreamer can be self-sufficient. This makes sense for able-bodied Dreamers who should be able to support themselves, but will create issues for any disabled Dreamers who may not be capable of a self-sufficient lifestyle.
Thanks! At age 21, well-behaved DACA recipients should be citizens. They can send money to their parents and obtain passports for visits. I dislike chain immigration however it comes about. Immigration should be vetted and a net positive.
Able-bodied dreamers is what I had in mind. But, you made me think. I believe we could accommodate those situations because a few hundred extra people on welfare would not make much difference. However, it does make a case for doing more to prevent human smuggling. And every exception weakens the rule of law.
Focusing on the wrong part of his post. "The DACA recipients should not be allowed to sponsor any others, including relatives, for citizenship." If you think the dreamers are innocent pawns in their parents quest then why would you add that? Their parents would have already been deported and unable to return, so all you are doing is reminding the dreamer that he doesn't really belong here and he won't be enjoying the full fruit of his citizenship. It's unbelievably cruel.
I added that because I do not believe the parents would have been deported and I disapprove of chain immigration in all cases. Spouses and kids should be a self-supporting unit to be granted legal immigrant status, No Uncle Fester or Cousin Itt.
So, no sponsorship at all for family immigration? Not just for Dreamers, but for everyone else - you and I included?
(Not arguing - just seeking clarification.)
I believe all applicants, including family units (spouses and kids), should be able to qualify on their own to be granted legal immigration status. So I guess my answer is yes.
Why do you care? If their family member is able and willing to be a productive member of society then who cares? There has to be a reason you are against this.
If that were true, they should be able to apply and qualify on their merits as motivated individuals. In reality, there are many immigrants who aren't self-sufficient taking advantage of US aid programs. Theoretically the feds should be able to sue sponsors to recover the cost of benefits paid illegally. You can imagine how that works when the Biden administration won't arrest or deport pregnant illegals.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligibility/citizen/non-citizen-policy
https://www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/immigrant-eligibility-for-federal-programs.aspx
So if parents get here to raise a DACA kid when he’s 6, stay 15 years, send him to college, their graduation gift if deportation? Think that through please.
I have. The parents are here illegally. My preference would be to deport them all immediately upon arrival. But the politicians continue to play games with asylum scams and unaccompanied minors and granting criminal state governments aid to protect and nurture the illegals. Those same criminal states ignore federal laws with impunity and continue to receive federal grants.