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Chris J. Karr's avatar

There are not enough Substack hearts to give to this post.

Well done.

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HCI's avatar

Excellent and informative piece Steve. Well done.

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Nancy L. Rogers's avatar

Isn't "the Third Side" the same in every war?

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Steve Berman's avatar

Indeed it is. It's rare that the public hears from their side, in their own voice, the hell of war.

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larry lim's avatar

“Followed bad intel” is a far cry from “lie-encrusted megalomaniacal obsession.”

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Steve Berman's avatar

Here’s the sentence: “ Regardless of whether you think America’s war against Saddam Hussein, and our follow-on fights against ISIS to retain Iraq as an ally of democracy and lawful order, were justified in our national interest, or the lie-encrusted megalomaniacal obsession of George W. Bush to spread democracy like pollen over a corrupted and wilting world, the war at home, in real time, was presented as truth from our side.”

I didn’t say if I believed either. I am actually somewhere in the middle, because things are more nuanced than extreme positions. I used the extremes on purpose but I added an edit to help understand my own position.

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larry lim's avatar

The author doesn't like GWB. There's still no proof that GWB constantly "lied" about Iraq. Is there a way to receive the non-Berman newsletters without getting his?

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Steve Berman's avatar

Not true. I am a big GWB supporter. I simply recognize that he followed bad intel that had he shown more restraint, he could have confirmed as bad and avoided a very costly war of adventure. Should we have gotten rid of Saddam? It helped the world. Did it help America? Not really, no. Did it help Iraq? Open question.

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SGman's avatar

Kamil Galeev has some good info who's really supporting Putin (the elderly) and how little respect for the military there really is in Russia (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504586169056522246). He's done a large number of Twitter threads (over 30 at this point) all compiled/compiling at https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498377757536968711.

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