These GOPers are behaving as if they are running in a ruby red state like Alabama, where they could probably get away with telling lies about electoral outcomes and still get elected handily. Never mind the fact that lying is morally wrong to begin with. It hasn't occurred to them that they are running in a deeply blue state, and that they have to win over lots of voters outside of their base. Which includes a significant amount of Democrats and Independents, just to have at least a respectable losing outcome.
After 4 years of a dumpster fire of a presidential term, where a GOP trifecta gets turned into a Democratic trifecta, and 8 months into Biden's presidency, and they still can't let go of Trump. It is evident when rank and file candidates for elective office are engaging in Trumpy tactics. I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom in the slightest(I don't have a high regard of him), and in a more sane time would be rooting for a Republican to win. But now that Larry Elder is promoting a form of the Big Lie, I think there needs to be a massive blowout of maybe 25-30 percent against recall. These GOPers need to be punished for their cavalier peddling of electoral fibs. And I mean SEVERELY punished. This kind of crap has got to stop. Maybe only after a blowout loss will they learn that it doesn't pay to engaging in this kind of reckless, dishonest bullcrap behavior.
The only way they will be punished is if you don't vote for any of them. If the party doesn't pay a political price for the lies then it will continue to do it.
About easily disproved nonsense? No they don't, nor would democratic voters believe it. Or demand it really, considering how many republicans now straight up demand the lies.
Larry Elder's website had a link stating they lost due to fraud - and that was up last week. CA is a Democratic supermajority state, but the New GOP doesn't care about reality - they want to sow doubt, discord, and lack of faith in our democracy. They're playing a really dangerous game, and are pot-committed to "Stop the Steal".
Are they stooges for Putin and/or China, who'd love nothing more than to see the US diminished/collapse?
I don't think its fair to Russia or China to blame them. Republican are just power hungry and evil. Those things do exist in America. So if they have to lie and cheat to remain in power, you know they will do it. And it seems like a winning strategy really, considering people are just going to let them do it.
Do you really think people like Curtis would care if our government was destroyed if it meant democrats losing all political power?
And many of us believe the most destructive actions occurring are the doubt thrown upon our elections because of the lack of ability and integrity to accept a loss.
Exactly my point. This is the republican frame of mind. So what if they have to cheat and steal and lie, if they don't the country they know will be destroyed.
Which is why the lie is so important. It's what holds together their fantasy world where something devious is happening.
It would be hard to believe that a California democrat lost a statewide election solely because of fraud so you are correct. However, anyone who doesn't recognize potential for significant fraud in the California election system is fooling himself. The only California elections that have any national implications are in a few US House of Representative districts. Fraud could be important there.
Registered voter is important until one shows up to vote and is told he has already voted. How is that resolved? Provisional ballot? Only one of the votes can count. What happens when the citizen whose voting right has been usurped decides not to vote?
Ballots can be printed anywhere by anyone using the name of someone on the CA voting rolls. All they have to do is sign the envelope and mail it in. They may or may not get caught.
Illegals voting or not depends on the degree of scrutiny during registration. Also, given today's technology, altered forged licenses can be produced. Only 15 blue states, DC and Utah issue licenses to illegals. Other states have good reasons for not issuing licenses to illegals.
Illegal ballot harvesting happens. It's happened at nursing homes. It's also easy enough to pay for votes at homeless encampments or in other lawless areas.
"Illegals voting or not depends on the degree of scrutiny during registration. Also, given today's technology, altered forged licenses can be produced. Only 15 blue states, DC and Utah issue licenses to illegals. Other states have good reasons for not issuing licenses to illegals."
Also note that having a driver's license IS NOT typically sufficient to vote in any election that has a notion of registered voters. The person seeking to vote must show up in the poll book, or bring in sufficient documentation that verifies their eligibility to be a voter.
I'm not up-to-date on how California has implemented their election system (I work Illinois elections), but I would be VERY surprised if a poll book of registered voters wasn't being used.
"Registered voter is important until one shows up to vote and is told he has already voted. How is that resolved? Provisional ballot? Only one of the votes can count. What happens when the citizen whose voting right has been usurped decides not to vote?"
Speaking as an election judge, a provisional ballot would be used in this case. This is the first step to begin the investigation to resolve the mystery of what's going on in this case. Note that there are criminal penalties possible for someone caught attempting to vote twice - once by sending in the absentee ballot, then in-person at the polling place.
Our mail ballots have unique IDs (at the least, I tear off a QR receipt), so a stolen mail ballot can assumedly be invalidated or a fake detected. We do it for absentee voting and those abroad all the time in a secure manner - what makes general availability that much more difficult except for scale?
I have never run the show or ever gone in, but I also assume there are ways to invalidate a ballot if the actual voter arrives and provides identification.
Our IDs are REAL ID compliant and have magnetic stripes: you can tell by either the number or a swipe if it's valid for voting.
Registration is an official process, just like any other. There are steps for how to verify a first time voter, either by mail/in-person.
"Illegal" is just that, isn't it? How does someone doing something illegally invalidate doing the same thing legally?
Illegal vote harvesting goes hand in hand with buying votes and ballots and taking advantage of the gullible and incompetent.
What ID do you have to show to register? Utility bill?
From online info: "You should know: you will need a California-issued driver license or California identification card number, the last four digits of your social security number, and consent to the use of your DMV-stored digital signature to use California’s online voter registration system. If you don’t have a California-issued ID or don’t want to provide consent for the use of your digital signature, you can still register by mail to vote."
"If you are registering to vote for the first time in your jurisdiction and are mailing this registration application, Federal law requires you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. Proof of identification includes: A current and valid photo identification or A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address."
Maybe you can't see potential for fraud in such loose requirements.
These GOPers are behaving as if they are running in a ruby red state like Alabama, where they could probably get away with telling lies about electoral outcomes and still get elected handily. Never mind the fact that lying is morally wrong to begin with. It hasn't occurred to them that they are running in a deeply blue state, and that they have to win over lots of voters outside of their base. Which includes a significant amount of Democrats and Independents, just to have at least a respectable losing outcome.
After 4 years of a dumpster fire of a presidential term, where a GOP trifecta gets turned into a Democratic trifecta, and 8 months into Biden's presidency, and they still can't let go of Trump. It is evident when rank and file candidates for elective office are engaging in Trumpy tactics. I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom in the slightest(I don't have a high regard of him), and in a more sane time would be rooting for a Republican to win. But now that Larry Elder is promoting a form of the Big Lie, I think there needs to be a massive blowout of maybe 25-30 percent against recall. These GOPers need to be punished for their cavalier peddling of electoral fibs. And I mean SEVERELY punished. This kind of crap has got to stop. Maybe only after a blowout loss will they learn that it doesn't pay to engaging in this kind of reckless, dishonest bullcrap behavior.
Root and branch.
The only way they will be punished is if you don't vote for any of them. If the party doesn't pay a political price for the lies then it will continue to do it.
No democrats lie?
About easily disproved nonsense? No they don't, nor would democratic voters believe it. Or demand it really, considering how many republicans now straight up demand the lies.
Not about easily disproved nonsense. Only about important stuff?
Well not as important as our constitutional republic's survival.
Not only can the GOP not turn loose of Trump, most of the authors and commenters on this site can't either.
He's still the leader of the GOP, and ain't going away. Get the rest of the GOP to drop him, or you'll just keep reading/hearing more and more.
Every political party has advocates considered by some to be undesirable but the only one that deserves scorn is Mr. Trump.
Ah, whatabout....
Ah, democrats do not deserve punishment?
Not everything is equal, and some are more deserving than others. Trump and the GOP are very deserving, at least to the writers.
Go ahead and complain about Democrats all you like: just recognize that this is some whataboutism. Maybe go start your own blog on it.
Larry Elder's website had a link stating they lost due to fraud - and that was up last week. CA is a Democratic supermajority state, but the New GOP doesn't care about reality - they want to sow doubt, discord, and lack of faith in our democracy. They're playing a really dangerous game, and are pot-committed to "Stop the Steal".
Are they stooges for Putin and/or China, who'd love nothing more than to see the US diminished/collapse?
I don't think its fair to Russia or China to blame them. Republican are just power hungry and evil. Those things do exist in America. So if they have to lie and cheat to remain in power, you know they will do it. And it seems like a winning strategy really, considering people are just going to let them do it.
Do you really think people like Curtis would care if our government was destroyed if it meant democrats losing all political power?
The destruction is going full speed ahead without Republicans having any say-so at the national level.
And many of us believe the most destructive actions occurring are the doubt thrown upon our elections because of the lack of ability and integrity to accept a loss.
Exactly my point. This is the republican frame of mind. So what if they have to cheat and steal and lie, if they don't the country they know will be destroyed.
Which is why the lie is so important. It's what holds together their fantasy world where something devious is happening.
Tell me what the current administration is doing right.
There is a difference between disagreeing with something and thinking its going to destroy the country.
True but what are Biden and Congress doing right to save the country?
It's a heck of a lot easier on the ego to say you were cheated than admit you lost.
Yep. It's amazing to watch them still claim fraud when it looks like he's lost by millions.
In combination with JVL: https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/welcome-to-stop-the-steal-forever
So there are no legitimate reasons to recall Gavin Newsom. All that matters is that Republicans get punished.
It would be hard to believe that a California democrat lost a statewide election solely because of fraud so you are correct. However, anyone who doesn't recognize potential for significant fraud in the California election system is fooling himself. The only California elections that have any national implications are in a few US House of Representative districts. Fraud could be important there.
Please do explain more how CA's elections are more subject to fraud than pretty much any other state.
Ballot harvesting, mailing ballots to every registered voter, printing ballots anywhere around the globe, drivers license for illegal aliens.
"Registered voter" is the important thing, ain't it?
Prove that ballots are printed anywhere but in the USA.
Driver's License for undocumented aren't valid for voting.
Ballot harvesting is nothing: it's people dropping off someone else's signed and sealed ballot.
Registered voter is important until one shows up to vote and is told he has already voted. How is that resolved? Provisional ballot? Only one of the votes can count. What happens when the citizen whose voting right has been usurped decides not to vote?
Ballots can be printed anywhere by anyone using the name of someone on the CA voting rolls. All they have to do is sign the envelope and mail it in. They may or may not get caught.
Illegals voting or not depends on the degree of scrutiny during registration. Also, given today's technology, altered forged licenses can be produced. Only 15 blue states, DC and Utah issue licenses to illegals. Other states have good reasons for not issuing licenses to illegals.
Illegal ballot harvesting happens. It's happened at nursing homes. It's also easy enough to pay for votes at homeless encampments or in other lawless areas.
"Illegals voting or not depends on the degree of scrutiny during registration. Also, given today's technology, altered forged licenses can be produced. Only 15 blue states, DC and Utah issue licenses to illegals. Other states have good reasons for not issuing licenses to illegals."
Also note that having a driver's license IS NOT typically sufficient to vote in any election that has a notion of registered voters. The person seeking to vote must show up in the poll book, or bring in sufficient documentation that verifies their eligibility to be a voter.
I'm not up-to-date on how California has implemented their election system (I work Illinois elections), but I would be VERY surprised if a poll book of registered voters wasn't being used.
True. I intended the comment to apply only to the registration process.
Assigned polling places. I've never been to one.
"Registered voter is important until one shows up to vote and is told he has already voted. How is that resolved? Provisional ballot? Only one of the votes can count. What happens when the citizen whose voting right has been usurped decides not to vote?"
Speaking as an election judge, a provisional ballot would be used in this case. This is the first step to begin the investigation to resolve the mystery of what's going on in this case. Note that there are criminal penalties possible for someone caught attempting to vote twice - once by sending in the absentee ballot, then in-person at the polling place.
We are not necessarily in disagreement. If the legitimate voter decides not to vote, a fraudulent mail-in vote stands.
Our mail ballots have unique IDs (at the least, I tear off a QR receipt), so a stolen mail ballot can assumedly be invalidated or a fake detected. We do it for absentee voting and those abroad all the time in a secure manner - what makes general availability that much more difficult except for scale?
I have never run the show or ever gone in, but I also assume there are ways to invalidate a ballot if the actual voter arrives and provides identification.
Our IDs are REAL ID compliant and have magnetic stripes: you can tell by either the number or a swipe if it's valid for voting.
Registration is an official process, just like any other. There are steps for how to verify a first time voter, either by mail/in-person.
"Illegal" is just that, isn't it? How does someone doing something illegally invalidate doing the same thing legally?
Illegal vote harvesting goes hand in hand with buying votes and ballots and taking advantage of the gullible and incompetent.
What ID do you have to show to register? Utility bill?
From online info: "You should know: you will need a California-issued driver license or California identification card number, the last four digits of your social security number, and consent to the use of your DMV-stored digital signature to use California’s online voter registration system. If you don’t have a California-issued ID or don’t want to provide consent for the use of your digital signature, you can still register by mail to vote."
"If you are registering to vote for the first time in your jurisdiction and are mailing this registration application, Federal law requires you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. Proof of identification includes: A current and valid photo identification or A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address."
Maybe you can't see potential for fraud in such loose requirements.