Why do men continue to wonk on about this subject? Has a man ever been through the heartache of having to give up a child to a shitty foster home life? Likely needing to because his economic status is so far below that of women, that both he and the child would enter into a failure to thrive context by staying together.
How many men have been raped, sexually abused on an ongoing basis by a family member, or subjected to mental torture by an abusive spouse who breaks down his ability to reason so far that he makes stupid decisions with dire consequences? Like self medicating through street drug addiction, which, by the way would do wonders for a fetus that is forced to go through a full term pregnancy. Only to be born to a severely compromised life. How about being a victim of sex trafficking/slavery?
It's too bloody depressing to list every single one of the overwhelmingly miserable life compromises that the majority of women on the planet face every day. Those women who are forced into this condition, at the hands of those brutal men who range the planet and who perpetrate these largely illegal markets, do not represent a "mere 1.5%" of women who may need an abortion.
The inequities between men with brute force/economic power over women are at the root of the abortion question. And it's shameful that in the current century, humanity has not yet risen above this complicity to oppress women. By compelling so many under-resourced women to bring "cannon fodder" (for both the military and prison industrial complexes) to full term is tantamount to an ongoing war that is waged against those too poor and politically powerless to defend their right to thriving.
It is always the most under-resourced women in the US who are hurt the most by the incessant blathering of tired old white guys who don't know the first thing about what it is to walk for a day in a woman's shoes.
In my opinion, I think we will begin to see a significant improvement over the travesty of this situation by mandating that this endless blather be silenced. That white guys who don't know jack drek from their bums would kindly shut the hell up would be such an amazing grace bestowed on the rest of us.
Why is this continuing attack on abortion and the right to choose a war on underprivileged women? Because women of means will always have access to any number of methods to control the trajectory of their lives, and have every reason to expect a full realization of their lives. Women of means will always have access to any choice pertaining to what happens to their bodies.
Thus, this argument is just another instance of class persecution. It really has nothing to do with "murder" nor any other purposefully inflammatory rhetoric shoved onto the rest of us.
How long before humanity can evolve above this twisted travesty?
>>>How many men have been raped, sexually abused on an ongoing basis by a family member, or subjected to mental torture by an abusive spouse who breaks down his ability to reason so far that he makes stupid decisions with dire consequences?
Whatever one’s beliefs are about abortion, I would say that this are very common situations for men and boys from both sexes. It is a general disbelief that men can’t be raped by women and the great shame felt by the victims as well as the scorn and disbelief from others that hide it.
Yes, I agree with you. Abuse knows no boundaries and it's always a travesty when brutality and assertion of power over another is socially accepted. This sad criminality goes back, it would seem, from the beginning of time. Even the god of the Bible's old testament set horrible examples of brutality on the people who were ruled under that reign of sadistic terror. And yes, shame is always dealt heavily on the victim, regardless of their gender. That stupid assumption that rape is an act of uncontrollable sexual impulse, that men should be scorned for complaining is based on a false assumption.
Rape and sexual abuse stem from an imbalance of power between people where one can tower over another, often times by asserting threats to the victims right to live. Deep trauma is what those bastards want to inflict. And no one should be shamed for what has happened to them.
In light of this long legacy, it's amazing that so much goodness in humanity has prevailed through the ages. Good in humanity still triumphs, depite the endless wars where men and women are treated akin to canon fodder, with so many returned from multiple tours of "duty" deranged and suffering from PTSD. No doubt, abuses on humanity are waged by the more powerful, and all genders suffer.
All that agreed, there is still a continuing abuse towards women who don't possess monetary and personal agency in their lives, at the hands of men who feel entitled to the enslavement that is perpetrated on such large numbers of women. And for those who are in power to turn a deaf ear against anyone who isn't powerful, regardless of their impossible life situation, I view this stance as yet another form of abuse. As said before, this abuse toward women who don't feel mentally, emotionally, monetarily or physically fit to carry an ill-begotten fetus to full term is indeed another example of how certain men assert their privilege and power on those less powerful.
Rather than continuing the argument over abortion and even birth control, I would consider a great turn upwards by the spirit of humanity if it could be possible to move the discourse towards addressing the subject of demanding a cessation of the problems I address here. That a stop be insisted upon of the many abuses of power toward which too many societies have remained complacent.
The reproductive health act does not allow abortions up until birth. You probably wouldn't get the "christian hate" if you didn't lie so much while professing to be christian.
"Beyond 24 weeks gestation, abortion was deemed legal if the woman's health or life are at risk or if the fetus is not viable. Per the norm to not define medical terms in the law, the terms "health", "at risk", and "viable" were not defined in the RHA. It was determined that it is up to the discretion of a woman's medical provider and that woman to determine if her health is at risk, and it is up to medical providers to determine if a fetus is viable based on specific medical criteria."
In other words, there is no situation where abortion is illegal, as long as " physician assistants, nurse practitioners, and licensed midwives," permitted to perform abortion services if properly licensed, say that it's medically necessary for the woman's "health," which is left undefined. The bar is extremely low and fuzzy. It's not "life of the mother." It's anything it wants to be, right up until live birth.
I wrote the attached article in 2018. I'm glad to see the conversations on this issue are becoming more substantive, rather than folks standing in their uncompromising corners and yelling at each other. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qPfG1vgT1vMwujYWcYxTp0foSEZLfkJBErtwXAvQJ5c/edit?copiedFromTrash
Why do men continue to wonk on about this subject? Has a man ever been through the heartache of having to give up a child to a shitty foster home life? Likely needing to because his economic status is so far below that of women, that both he and the child would enter into a failure to thrive context by staying together.
How many men have been raped, sexually abused on an ongoing basis by a family member, or subjected to mental torture by an abusive spouse who breaks down his ability to reason so far that he makes stupid decisions with dire consequences? Like self medicating through street drug addiction, which, by the way would do wonders for a fetus that is forced to go through a full term pregnancy. Only to be born to a severely compromised life. How about being a victim of sex trafficking/slavery?
It's too bloody depressing to list every single one of the overwhelmingly miserable life compromises that the majority of women on the planet face every day. Those women who are forced into this condition, at the hands of those brutal men who range the planet and who perpetrate these largely illegal markets, do not represent a "mere 1.5%" of women who may need an abortion.
The inequities between men with brute force/economic power over women are at the root of the abortion question. And it's shameful that in the current century, humanity has not yet risen above this complicity to oppress women. By compelling so many under-resourced women to bring "cannon fodder" (for both the military and prison industrial complexes) to full term is tantamount to an ongoing war that is waged against those too poor and politically powerless to defend their right to thriving.
It is always the most under-resourced women in the US who are hurt the most by the incessant blathering of tired old white guys who don't know the first thing about what it is to walk for a day in a woman's shoes.
In my opinion, I think we will begin to see a significant improvement over the travesty of this situation by mandating that this endless blather be silenced. That white guys who don't know jack drek from their bums would kindly shut the hell up would be such an amazing grace bestowed on the rest of us.
Why is this continuing attack on abortion and the right to choose a war on underprivileged women? Because women of means will always have access to any number of methods to control the trajectory of their lives, and have every reason to expect a full realization of their lives. Women of means will always have access to any choice pertaining to what happens to their bodies.
Thus, this argument is just another instance of class persecution. It really has nothing to do with "murder" nor any other purposefully inflammatory rhetoric shoved onto the rest of us.
How long before humanity can evolve above this twisted travesty?
>>>How many men have been raped, sexually abused on an ongoing basis by a family member, or subjected to mental torture by an abusive spouse who breaks down his ability to reason so far that he makes stupid decisions with dire consequences?
Whatever one’s beliefs are about abortion, I would say that this are very common situations for men and boys from both sexes. It is a general disbelief that men can’t be raped by women and the great shame felt by the victims as well as the scorn and disbelief from others that hide it.
Yes, I agree with you. Abuse knows no boundaries and it's always a travesty when brutality and assertion of power over another is socially accepted. This sad criminality goes back, it would seem, from the beginning of time. Even the god of the Bible's old testament set horrible examples of brutality on the people who were ruled under that reign of sadistic terror. And yes, shame is always dealt heavily on the victim, regardless of their gender. That stupid assumption that rape is an act of uncontrollable sexual impulse, that men should be scorned for complaining is based on a false assumption.
Rape and sexual abuse stem from an imbalance of power between people where one can tower over another, often times by asserting threats to the victims right to live. Deep trauma is what those bastards want to inflict. And no one should be shamed for what has happened to them.
In light of this long legacy, it's amazing that so much goodness in humanity has prevailed through the ages. Good in humanity still triumphs, depite the endless wars where men and women are treated akin to canon fodder, with so many returned from multiple tours of "duty" deranged and suffering from PTSD. No doubt, abuses on humanity are waged by the more powerful, and all genders suffer.
All that agreed, there is still a continuing abuse towards women who don't possess monetary and personal agency in their lives, at the hands of men who feel entitled to the enslavement that is perpetrated on such large numbers of women. And for those who are in power to turn a deaf ear against anyone who isn't powerful, regardless of their impossible life situation, I view this stance as yet another form of abuse. As said before, this abuse toward women who don't feel mentally, emotionally, monetarily or physically fit to carry an ill-begotten fetus to full term is indeed another example of how certain men assert their privilege and power on those less powerful.
Rather than continuing the argument over abortion and even birth control, I would consider a great turn upwards by the spirit of humanity if it could be possible to move the discourse towards addressing the subject of demanding a cessation of the problems I address here. That a stop be insisted upon of the many abuses of power toward which too many societies have remained complacent.
The reproductive health act does not allow abortions up until birth. You probably wouldn't get the "christian hate" if you didn't lie so much while professing to be christian.
I'll refer to Wikipedia.
"Beyond 24 weeks gestation, abortion was deemed legal if the woman's health or life are at risk or if the fetus is not viable. Per the norm to not define medical terms in the law, the terms "health", "at risk", and "viable" were not defined in the RHA. It was determined that it is up to the discretion of a woman's medical provider and that woman to determine if her health is at risk, and it is up to medical providers to determine if a fetus is viable based on specific medical criteria."
In other words, there is no situation where abortion is illegal, as long as " physician assistants, nurse practitioners, and licensed midwives," permitted to perform abortion services if properly licensed, say that it's medically necessary for the woman's "health," which is left undefined. The bar is extremely low and fuzzy. It's not "life of the mother." It's anything it wants to be, right up until live birth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_Health_Act