My weekend post. A bad case of "ugly baby" for Republicans. The history behind @LongTomVirgini1 tweets. Time Magazine blew it. And finally Chick-fil-A eat your heart out.
So you rely on a leftist phony PSA with Debra Messing and quotes from David French to make a point. And, exactly why are any of Trump's court battles and complaints dangerous. People who can't think for themselves will be led astray by either Republicans or democrats. Those people are mostly useless and mostly democrat That's a fact. And, the more quotes from David French and the rest of the Dispatch crew, the less credible you will be. If you want to be a never-Trump website, even at this point, you will soon have the audience you desire.
The danger is overturning an election using legal subterfuge and political arm twisting. The fact that it cannot work doesn’t make trying any less bad.
All I hear is legitimate concerns mixed in with a bit hyperbole from both sides of the question. I do not see the danger that has the never-Trumps hysterical and the democrats and media spewing talking points.
The legitimate concerns IF THEY COULD HAVE EFFECTED THE OUTCOME of any state election have been litigated and found moot or unfounded. But Trump and GOP continue to “fight.” It’s like suing someone, losing, then continuing to sue over and over.
They have not been litigated. Trump's team were denied access to evidence. Clear violations of state and federal constitutions were ignored. The Trump campaign is pursuing legal remedies to legitimate questions. So far they have been ignored by state officials and the courts are afraid of allowing the truth to be pursued. They, and you, know that if Trump is successful, BLM and AntiFa and every other leftist anarchist group out there would be burning and looting the country. The news media and democrats would be whining that it's justified - no one should have to endure four more years of Trump. The never-Trumps would condemn the violence but defend the protests.
I do not know what the outcome would be but I'm positive the concerns of the right have not been given due consideration.
My point is that Republicans are supporting an effort they know is doomed to fail. The issues with the elections deserve attention but there is simply no conspiracy to rig the election for Biden. The theories on Dominion and vote changing advanced by Trump and his supporters are simply false.
At this point I can see why it is doomed to fail. A month ago there were questions raised about the legitimacy of many thousands of votes especially in Pennsylvania and Georgia. In PA the question pertained to voting deadlines and voting law changes by unconstitutional methods and could involve a hug number of votes. PA officials even disregarded an order from Justice Alito to keep certain mail-in records separated.
In GA, 12,000 votes would be hardly a blip in the voting totals from metro Atlanta. I believe a few talented grifters (especially if they were voting officials or clerks) could come up with thousands of mail-in ballots to submit illegally. All it would have taken to alleviate serious concerns would be a signature audit in a dozen counties. Our Secretary of State chose not to do that.
So, locked out of the courts by gutless judges running out the clock, concerned and involved individuals have no choice but to complain loudly and even unpleasantly. It did not have to be this way if the courts and election official had given the matter attention consistent with the importance of a presidential election.
By the way, I never gave the Dominion conspiracy much consideration. It is possible but it would be risky and Dominion IT personnel would have to be involved in each and every targeted precinct.
Do you don’t believe that the measures Georgia took were enough? You don’t think the Trump and Bush appointed judges who dismissed the Trump team’s lawsuits were serious enough? It’s been over a month and Trump’s team has won zero. That would make a bigger conspiracy than Dominion.
No, there was no signature audit. The judges looked at the process, ignoring the fact that it was outside the law passed by the legislature. They decided it was adequate and it could have been if followed. There were enough affidavits of wrongdoing to justify an investigation but the complainants were not allowed to collect evidence that was under the control of election officials. There was no litigation - just a dismissal by judges who did not want to get involved.
So you rely on a leftist phony PSA with Debra Messing and quotes from David French to make a point. And, exactly why are any of Trump's court battles and complaints dangerous. People who can't think for themselves will be led astray by either Republicans or democrats. Those people are mostly useless and mostly democrat That's a fact. And, the more quotes from David French and the rest of the Dispatch crew, the less credible you will be. If you want to be a never-Trump website, even at this point, you will soon have the audience you desire.
I think you’re making my point for me.
What is this danger you speak of?
The danger is overturning an election using legal subterfuge and political arm twisting. The fact that it cannot work doesn’t make trying any less bad.
All I hear is legitimate concerns mixed in with a bit hyperbole from both sides of the question. I do not see the danger that has the never-Trumps hysterical and the democrats and media spewing talking points.
The legitimate concerns IF THEY COULD HAVE EFFECTED THE OUTCOME of any state election have been litigated and found moot or unfounded. But Trump and GOP continue to “fight.” It’s like suing someone, losing, then continuing to sue over and over.
They have not been litigated. Trump's team were denied access to evidence. Clear violations of state and federal constitutions were ignored. The Trump campaign is pursuing legal remedies to legitimate questions. So far they have been ignored by state officials and the courts are afraid of allowing the truth to be pursued. They, and you, know that if Trump is successful, BLM and AntiFa and every other leftist anarchist group out there would be burning and looting the country. The news media and democrats would be whining that it's justified - no one should have to endure four more years of Trump. The never-Trumps would condemn the violence but defend the protests.
I do not know what the outcome would be but I'm positive the concerns of the right have not been given due consideration.
What is your point?
My point is that Republicans are supporting an effort they know is doomed to fail. The issues with the elections deserve attention but there is simply no conspiracy to rig the election for Biden. The theories on Dominion and vote changing advanced by Trump and his supporters are simply false.
At this point I can see why it is doomed to fail. A month ago there were questions raised about the legitimacy of many thousands of votes especially in Pennsylvania and Georgia. In PA the question pertained to voting deadlines and voting law changes by unconstitutional methods and could involve a hug number of votes. PA officials even disregarded an order from Justice Alito to keep certain mail-in records separated.
In GA, 12,000 votes would be hardly a blip in the voting totals from metro Atlanta. I believe a few talented grifters (especially if they were voting officials or clerks) could come up with thousands of mail-in ballots to submit illegally. All it would have taken to alleviate serious concerns would be a signature audit in a dozen counties. Our Secretary of State chose not to do that.
So, locked out of the courts by gutless judges running out the clock, concerned and involved individuals have no choice but to complain loudly and even unpleasantly. It did not have to be this way if the courts and election official had given the matter attention consistent with the importance of a presidential election.
By the way, I never gave the Dominion conspiracy much consideration. It is possible but it would be risky and Dominion IT personnel would have to be involved in each and every targeted precinct.
Do you don’t believe that the measures Georgia took were enough? You don’t think the Trump and Bush appointed judges who dismissed the Trump team’s lawsuits were serious enough? It’s been over a month and Trump’s team has won zero. That would make a bigger conspiracy than Dominion.
No, there was no signature audit. The judges looked at the process, ignoring the fact that it was outside the law passed by the legislature. They decided it was adequate and it could have been if followed. There were enough affidavits of wrongdoing to justify an investigation but the complainants were not allowed to collect evidence that was under the control of election officials. There was no litigation - just a dismissal by judges who did not want to get involved.