Sorry but the Critical Race Theory you are familiar with from the 1990's is no longer a theory but an orthodoxy preached in my grandkids schools. It is a variant....(get it. ha a virus that has mutated)
I know what I'm speaking about because one of my grandkids comes to my house for distance learning and we lived through January, February and June. That is the Martin Luther King Month, the Feb black history month, and the ever present Gay Month of June.
My granddaughter is 9 and in the 3rd grade. She has 3 biracial siblings and a white brother. Her step dad is black and her mom is white. They (we) live in an upscale burb district which is vastly majority white and the largest minority is Asian and and tiny pop. of black.
To start off MLK month she had to circle what color she was. Ok. Except there was no white. It was varying degrees of blackness which is not exactly a family past time. Some of the kids are lighter or darker than the others.
I could take pages to explain how destructive and divisive this is to families not to mention how much the race activists are making bank (I have traced the activist non profits down) but it is for real and the definition of CRT has expanded or change from the way you are using it. The 1990's definition doesn't hold. Like all language these days their definition are fluid unfortunately for me.
From what I've read about CRT Linda, it comes across to me as an academic movement, as opposed to a defined racial ideology. The academic scholars(i.e. Richard Delgado, Derrick Bell, etc) associated with CRT ask questions about and critique laws and culture as related to issues of race. While I don't agree with many of their critiques and proposed remedies(particularly their critiques of Constitutional liberalism), they are very different from the hyperwoke leftists that many on the right associate with CRT. I've also found myself agreeing with them at times on a few points. I think that because some of the proponents of CRT are not scholars, but hyperwoke left wing extremists, many on the right have become understandably defensive whenever CRT is brought up. Many of these woke extremists on the left also don't have much of an understanding of what CRT is, but advocate for it in such a sloppy, condescending manner. And those on the right, tend to respond in a knee-jerk manner. But while these loud voices certainly make headlines, it distracts from the actual issue.
Recently, I bought the book, Critical Race Theory, an Introduction, which is authored by Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic. Before I did that and started to read it, I used to have the same reaction as you did Linda, whenever someone mentioned about CRT. My humble advice would be to tune out the loud voices among the hyperwoke left and populist right, and read from the actual sources. While I don't agree with much of what Delgado and Stefancic says in the book so far, it has helped me to develop a more nuanced and informed understanding of their views.
Oh please explain to me how not having the choice "white" is so damaging? And you traced "race activist non-profits"? I can't help but be curious how you accomplished that bit of detective work.
This whole thing reads like a delusional fantasy you have made up to justify your pre-conceived views of social issues, but by all means prove me wrong.
You do know you have to make your case, right? I made the case why CRT has changed and now you are supposed to tell me how I'm wrong. Them's the rules, kid. Make your case. I assure you I will consider it.
You didn’t make a case either. You just randomly attached things to CRT, ignited the actual definition of it, then acted like a scared whites person who lives in a small bubble.
You make YOUR case. I made mine. Your comment doesn’t even apply.
I mean come on. MLK day is CRT, and bad? You need to wake up and smell the 21st century Linda.
On the contrary, madam. All you said was it changed, and provided a silly school assignment as an example - one that did not have anything to do with what CRT is, which Ed described pretty darn well.
How does a school assignment about "circle your blackness" mean CRT to you? Just because race and skin color was involved?
“Communism really works, it just hasn’t been tried.” To narrowly define CRT and say “this ain’t it” when clearly the exercise springs from the same mindset is a motte and bailey argument.
I didn’t narrowly define CRT. Although, at least I did. You haven’t even defined it at all, you merely made associations
Words mean things. And CRT is an approach, not an ideology.
Having suspicion of an academic theory because of the “mindset“ of some of its purveyors does not make it so, any more than the Pledge of Allegiance is a Marxist credo just because it’s author was a 19th century socialist. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m gonna shake this cherry bowl, and say something that might raise temperatures: marxists/socialists are not inherently evil. Some of their solutions to solving human ills are because of their dastardly affects. (CRT is not one of them)
But plenty of socialists are good people, have decent lives, and even have a couple of good ideas. just not many. Lol
I can see you are unfamiliar with how CRT is taught now. You are correct in that I didn't make my case well. I thought you all understood how it was taught. Boiled down to it's essence it's that white people are oppressors and black people are oppressed and that explains black poverty and crime.
CRT isn’t taught differently. You’re simply claiming something that isn’t CRT is, including good things, then saying it’s wrong and scary. You’re the scary one here.
The only thing the right has now is anger and hate. Which is why right wing media spends 95% of its time telling them who exactly they should be hating now and why. Doesn't matter if its a lie, they will believe it.
You are exiled because of those principles. Kinda proves my point, the vast majority of people considered "right" these days hate you guys just as much or more than they do us democrats.
Touché. You make a good point. I just think there’s far more of us then it seems. There is a massive*silent*middle that is generally conservative but not a fan of the drama. All of the conservative mediaplex is designed to force those people to make a choice. It was generally an affective GOTV tool. But with the poison of populism the last 5+ years there are far too many leaders afraid to lead because they lose their jobs.
For every fool like my Senator Ron Johnson or WI state rep Tom Tiffany there is a Brian Steil or Adam Kinzinger. They’ll have no problem surviving generals, it’s the primaries most are concerned about. But that’s about it.
Things happen in cycles. The Blue Dog Democrats were exiled in the 2000s. They have their own hate. Hate brings in the bucks. Hate generates fear, fear motivates voters. Then the reaction, rinse and repeat. Either we will spin to really break something that isn’t easily fixed (have we yet?) or we will awake from the sleepwalk standing at the precipice.
Sorry but the Critical Race Theory you are familiar with from the 1990's is no longer a theory but an orthodoxy preached in my grandkids schools. It is a variant....(get it. ha a virus that has mutated)
I know what I'm speaking about because one of my grandkids comes to my house for distance learning and we lived through January, February and June. That is the Martin Luther King Month, the Feb black history month, and the ever present Gay Month of June.
My granddaughter is 9 and in the 3rd grade. She has 3 biracial siblings and a white brother. Her step dad is black and her mom is white. They (we) live in an upscale burb district which is vastly majority white and the largest minority is Asian and and tiny pop. of black.
To start off MLK month she had to circle what color she was. Ok. Except there was no white. It was varying degrees of blackness which is not exactly a family past time. Some of the kids are lighter or darker than the others.
I could take pages to explain how destructive and divisive this is to families not to mention how much the race activists are making bank (I have traced the activist non profits down) but it is for real and the definition of CRT has expanded or change from the way you are using it. The 1990's definition doesn't hold. Like all language these days their definition are fluid unfortunately for me.
Not sure why you keep bringing up the 90’s or why MLK day is a bad thing to you.
I have so little to say because your comments are so ludicrous. It’s almost like it’s parody.
From what I've read about CRT Linda, it comes across to me as an academic movement, as opposed to a defined racial ideology. The academic scholars(i.e. Richard Delgado, Derrick Bell, etc) associated with CRT ask questions about and critique laws and culture as related to issues of race. While I don't agree with many of their critiques and proposed remedies(particularly their critiques of Constitutional liberalism), they are very different from the hyperwoke leftists that many on the right associate with CRT. I've also found myself agreeing with them at times on a few points. I think that because some of the proponents of CRT are not scholars, but hyperwoke left wing extremists, many on the right have become understandably defensive whenever CRT is brought up. Many of these woke extremists on the left also don't have much of an understanding of what CRT is, but advocate for it in such a sloppy, condescending manner. And those on the right, tend to respond in a knee-jerk manner. But while these loud voices certainly make headlines, it distracts from the actual issue.
Recently, I bought the book, Critical Race Theory, an Introduction, which is authored by Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic. Before I did that and started to read it, I used to have the same reaction as you did Linda, whenever someone mentioned about CRT. My humble advice would be to tune out the loud voices among the hyperwoke left and populist right, and read from the actual sources. While I don't agree with much of what Delgado and Stefancic says in the book so far, it has helped me to develop a more nuanced and informed understanding of their views.
Oh please explain to me how not having the choice "white" is so damaging? And you traced "race activist non-profits"? I can't help but be curious how you accomplished that bit of detective work.
This whole thing reads like a delusional fantasy you have made up to justify your pre-conceived views of social issues, but by all means prove me wrong.
That's not CRT. That's just silliness.
You do know you have to make your case, right? I made the case why CRT has changed and now you are supposed to tell me how I'm wrong. Them's the rules, kid. Make your case. I assure you I will consider it.
You didn’t make a case either. You just randomly attached things to CRT, ignited the actual definition of it, then acted like a scared whites person who lives in a small bubble.
You make YOUR case. I made mine. Your comment doesn’t even apply.
I mean come on. MLK day is CRT, and bad? You need to wake up and smell the 21st century Linda.
Btw, “kid,” you don’t make the rules.
On the contrary, madam. All you said was it changed, and provided a silly school assignment as an example - one that did not have anything to do with what CRT is, which Ed described pretty darn well.
How does a school assignment about "circle your blackness" mean CRT to you? Just because race and skin color was involved?
“Communism really works, it just hasn’t been tried.” To narrowly define CRT and say “this ain’t it” when clearly the exercise springs from the same mindset is a motte and bailey argument.
I didn’t narrowly define CRT. Although, at least I did. You haven’t even defined it at all, you merely made associations
Words mean things. And CRT is an approach, not an ideology.
Having suspicion of an academic theory because of the “mindset“ of some of its purveyors does not make it so, any more than the Pledge of Allegiance is a Marxist credo just because it’s author was a 19th century socialist. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m gonna shake this cherry bowl, and say something that might raise temperatures: marxists/socialists are not inherently evil. Some of their solutions to solving human ills are because of their dastardly affects. (CRT is not one of them)
But plenty of socialists are good people, have decent lives, and even have a couple of good ideas. just not many. Lol
I can see you are unfamiliar with how CRT is taught now. You are correct in that I didn't make my case well. I thought you all understood how it was taught. Boiled down to it's essence it's that white people are oppressors and black people are oppressed and that explains black poverty and crime.
CRT isn’t taught differently. You’re simply claiming something that isn’t CRT is, including good things, then saying it’s wrong and scary. You’re the scary one here.
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The only thing the right has now is anger and hate. Which is why right wing media spends 95% of its time telling them who exactly they should be hating now and why. Doesn't matter if its a lie, they will believe it.
The right has us. Me, Jay, David, Steve, Susan, David French, Jonah Goldberg, etc.
We may be in exile right now, but the spectrum, and the principles aren’t beholden to a party or radio network.
You are exiled because of those principles. Kinda proves my point, the vast majority of people considered "right" these days hate you guys just as much or more than they do us democrats.
Touché. You make a good point. I just think there’s far more of us then it seems. There is a massive*silent*middle that is generally conservative but not a fan of the drama. All of the conservative mediaplex is designed to force those people to make a choice. It was generally an affective GOTV tool. But with the poison of populism the last 5+ years there are far too many leaders afraid to lead because they lose their jobs.
For every fool like my Senator Ron Johnson or WI state rep Tom Tiffany there is a Brian Steil or Adam Kinzinger. They’ll have no problem surviving generals, it’s the primaries most are concerned about. But that’s about it.
Things happen in cycles. The Blue Dog Democrats were exiled in the 2000s. They have their own hate. Hate brings in the bucks. Hate generates fear, fear motivates voters. Then the reaction, rinse and repeat. Either we will spin to really break something that isn’t easily fixed (have we yet?) or we will awake from the sleepwalk standing at the precipice.