Seeing as no one wants to touch this with a sharp or a dull stick, why don't i piss you off with my thoughts. How about we roll back the clock to June 3, 1919? Maybe keep the little women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where they belong. Or perhaps, we can reinstall that 3/5ths percentage for Black American's so they won't have such an impact on our elections.
I suspect now that i have your attention (and i also suspect you are ready to launch into a tirade) let me bring the discussion back to a more normal level (though not much). As a near to be 74 year old male with prostrate issues, this ruling won't have much affect on me. With that caveat out of the way, let's dig a little deeper.
Born and raised Catholic, the abortion question was always walking the balance beam for me. When it got heated in the 70's and 80's and they started bombing abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices, i found myself beginning to take sides, and not with yours.
See, i liked Planned Parenthood offering young women information regarding how to avoid unwanted pregnancies. And to be clear, i'm not talking about an abortion, i'm talking birth control, about the health issues that came with pregnancies and knowing and understanding the problems seemed like proactive and positive solutions well short of the A word.
I used to enjoy a good argument/debate. I learned long ago there were/are at least two sides to every story. I was willing to listen and hopefully learn and grow from them. That is until the "pro life " crowd made it abundantly clear that any effort to stop conception was wrong. That the Planned Parenthood efforts were sinful as well.
Yikes. Now it wasn't about abortion, the real issue was telling people how they should live. Let me be very blunt, their position was; if you are going to screw than you best be ready to get pregnant, have the kid and live the consequences of your actions. What freaking right does anyone have to dictate those terms?
Literally and i mean literally, whose business is it what happens in your bedroom or the backseat of your Chevy? They lost me when they decided they were the morality police. We can debate the point of creation all day long and both sides have an argument. No one has the right to tell others not to wear a condom, use birth control or simply pull out before the explosion (what did we call it as kids? Coitus interruptus).
My apologies for being graphic, but the reality for me is, i find preaching morals is a losing proposition. I have read any number of articles this morning and a couple of things have stood out. First, since Roe v Wade, abortions are well down in number. Apparently helping people understand using birth control was a good thing. Second, there's little doubt this decision will further polarize the country and it will become the "issue" in the next election cycles.
Anyway, love you like a sister, but like all siblings, it's okay to disagree. Hope this helps get a conversation started. I see David did an article too, but i thought you needed a little kick start.
God bless you. This was the first thing I came across to read this morning and decided it was just better not to give this screeching, self-righteous, hateful, crowing rant any oxygen. But I will pitch in a few things that I can say with decency.
I have had to choose between a self-righteous, moral, oh so Christian fiancee vs delivering an unplanned baby. Long story short, I chose to be a single mother because I refused to abort.
I am no "ghoul" because I disagree with this potential ruling. Nor am I "pro-infanticide" (seriously?), nor a hungover gladfly, nor any of the other insults hurled here without any apparent understanding or empathy of the complexities of this issue.
Suggestion to the author: Please add this this to your instructions to the ladies on how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. "Gentlemen, just keep your penis in your pants." It does take two, after all. I can keep my legs open all day and not get pregnant unless a man decides to unzip his pants.
Also, please do some reading about increasing efforts to limit contraceptives.
I mean... are you sure? The bloodlust of the left is really astounding, so much so that anything resembling common sense and self-control, when it comes to this issue, is out the window. This ruling simply puts the onus of deciding the abortion issue on the states, keeping it closer to the people. Want to murder a developing child? Go to an equally moral-free state. I dont get what there is to disagree with. Why would you want deeper levels of government intervention in your life? And sure... men need to 'keep it in their pants,' but the greater burden is on the woman, because she will be the one carrying the child or going through that awful procedure, either of which will take a toll on her body. As for contraceptives, there is no effort to limit them. That is the continuing, moronic lie of the left. You petulant, spoiled harridan: OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT OWED TO YOU!! The 'limitations' you're whining about are that you truly expect to stand around with your hand out, and Daddy Govt is supposed to pay for it all. The lack of self-control and personal responsibility on the part of the left is disgusting. Condoms are cheap. Abstinence is cheaper. You want to force businesses to pay for your carnal activities. You're not owed that, so stop your whining.
I don't know about the "petulant, spoiled harridan" part of your comment, but I certainly agree that contraceptives are readily available and inexpensive. I would contribute to a fund that promises less breeding by progressives. I might even support a special tax for that purpose.
In Susan's defense, she wasn't always like this. As anyone who has followed these writers know she took an insane amount of hate from trumpers for not bending the knee or for pointing out how unchristian the man happens to be.
Unfortunately that experience kind of broke her into what she is now. Of course, when you depend on a non-existent sky daddy to fix your problems nothing ever really gets fixed so she never really got over her issues.
No Branch Trumpidian ever broke me. The error here is in thinking that my rejection of Trump and his cult means I'm automatically on the side of liberals. I'm equally disgusted by both partisan houses. That I lash out with equal fervor at those sacred icons of the left shouldnt come as a surprise.
Nah at one time you weren't a coiled ball of rage. You are now. At least in your political writings. I would suggest you stop but I actually retweet these articles because the more people who see the hate the faster your religion will die.
Thank you for the retweets. As for the religion dying, I'll just quote Rabbi Gamaliel from Acts 5:
"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
I cant help but notice that you dont seem quite so aghast when I uncoil my rage at the People's Temple of Trump. I've written VOLUMES of tantrums against the poisons of the cult, and I've apparently missed your pearl-clutching, there. Is it because you're as pathetic a slave to partisanship as the MAGA monkeys? It's an endless source of amusement for me to see you guys celebrate me in one breath, then nearly snap your necks in an extreme 180, when you realize - HEY... SHE'S AN ACTUAL CONSERVATIVE! HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?? I've always been. My repulsion of Trump stems from my conservatism. I didnt give any of that up. I just see Trump as a cancer in the national bloodstream, desperately in need of removal. That doesnt mean I joined the other side. Sorry to give you whiplash.
They literally lied to get on the court to make this ruling. That's what I want everyone to take from this. They will force you to carry a pregnancy to term even at the risk of your own life because of their bullcrap religion but they have no issue throwing those religious beliefs out the window if it helps them gain power.
And the hate for christianity will only grow. Good.
Seeing as no one wants to touch this with a sharp or a dull stick, why don't i piss you off with my thoughts. How about we roll back the clock to June 3, 1919? Maybe keep the little women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where they belong. Or perhaps, we can reinstall that 3/5ths percentage for Black American's so they won't have such an impact on our elections.
I suspect now that i have your attention (and i also suspect you are ready to launch into a tirade) let me bring the discussion back to a more normal level (though not much). As a near to be 74 year old male with prostrate issues, this ruling won't have much affect on me. With that caveat out of the way, let's dig a little deeper.
Born and raised Catholic, the abortion question was always walking the balance beam for me. When it got heated in the 70's and 80's and they started bombing abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices, i found myself beginning to take sides, and not with yours.
See, i liked Planned Parenthood offering young women information regarding how to avoid unwanted pregnancies. And to be clear, i'm not talking about an abortion, i'm talking birth control, about the health issues that came with pregnancies and knowing and understanding the problems seemed like proactive and positive solutions well short of the A word.
I used to enjoy a good argument/debate. I learned long ago there were/are at least two sides to every story. I was willing to listen and hopefully learn and grow from them. That is until the "pro life " crowd made it abundantly clear that any effort to stop conception was wrong. That the Planned Parenthood efforts were sinful as well.
Yikes. Now it wasn't about abortion, the real issue was telling people how they should live. Let me be very blunt, their position was; if you are going to screw than you best be ready to get pregnant, have the kid and live the consequences of your actions. What freaking right does anyone have to dictate those terms?
Literally and i mean literally, whose business is it what happens in your bedroom or the backseat of your Chevy? They lost me when they decided they were the morality police. We can debate the point of creation all day long and both sides have an argument. No one has the right to tell others not to wear a condom, use birth control or simply pull out before the explosion (what did we call it as kids? Coitus interruptus).
My apologies for being graphic, but the reality for me is, i find preaching morals is a losing proposition. I have read any number of articles this morning and a couple of things have stood out. First, since Roe v Wade, abortions are well down in number. Apparently helping people understand using birth control was a good thing. Second, there's little doubt this decision will further polarize the country and it will become the "issue" in the next election cycles.
Anyway, love you like a sister, but like all siblings, it's okay to disagree. Hope this helps get a conversation started. I see David did an article too, but i thought you needed a little kick start.
God bless you. This was the first thing I came across to read this morning and decided it was just better not to give this screeching, self-righteous, hateful, crowing rant any oxygen. But I will pitch in a few things that I can say with decency.
I have had to choose between a self-righteous, moral, oh so Christian fiancee vs delivering an unplanned baby. Long story short, I chose to be a single mother because I refused to abort.
I am no "ghoul" because I disagree with this potential ruling. Nor am I "pro-infanticide" (seriously?), nor a hungover gladfly, nor any of the other insults hurled here without any apparent understanding or empathy of the complexities of this issue.
Suggestion to the author: Please add this this to your instructions to the ladies on how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. "Gentlemen, just keep your penis in your pants." It does take two, after all. I can keep my legs open all day and not get pregnant unless a man decides to unzip his pants.
Also, please do some reading about increasing efforts to limit contraceptives.
I mean... are you sure? The bloodlust of the left is really astounding, so much so that anything resembling common sense and self-control, when it comes to this issue, is out the window. This ruling simply puts the onus of deciding the abortion issue on the states, keeping it closer to the people. Want to murder a developing child? Go to an equally moral-free state. I dont get what there is to disagree with. Why would you want deeper levels of government intervention in your life? And sure... men need to 'keep it in their pants,' but the greater burden is on the woman, because she will be the one carrying the child or going through that awful procedure, either of which will take a toll on her body. As for contraceptives, there is no effort to limit them. That is the continuing, moronic lie of the left. You petulant, spoiled harridan: OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT OWED TO YOU!! The 'limitations' you're whining about are that you truly expect to stand around with your hand out, and Daddy Govt is supposed to pay for it all. The lack of self-control and personal responsibility on the part of the left is disgusting. Condoms are cheap. Abstinence is cheaper. You want to force businesses to pay for your carnal activities. You're not owed that, so stop your whining.
I don't know about the "petulant, spoiled harridan" part of your comment, but I certainly agree that contraceptives are readily available and inexpensive. I would contribute to a fund that promises less breeding by progressives. I might even support a special tax for that purpose.
I can understand that, why do you think liberals passed all those anti-incest laws.
??? That was long before the political divide we now have. If you are joking, I will laugh as soon as I understand the punch line.
In Susan's defense, she wasn't always like this. As anyone who has followed these writers know she took an insane amount of hate from trumpers for not bending the knee or for pointing out how unchristian the man happens to be.
Unfortunately that experience kind of broke her into what she is now. Of course, when you depend on a non-existent sky daddy to fix your problems nothing ever really gets fixed so she never really got over her issues.
No Branch Trumpidian ever broke me. The error here is in thinking that my rejection of Trump and his cult means I'm automatically on the side of liberals. I'm equally disgusted by both partisan houses. That I lash out with equal fervor at those sacred icons of the left shouldnt come as a surprise.
Nah at one time you weren't a coiled ball of rage. You are now. At least in your political writings. I would suggest you stop but I actually retweet these articles because the more people who see the hate the faster your religion will die.
Thank you for the retweets. As for the religion dying, I'll just quote Rabbi Gamaliel from Acts 5:
"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
I cant help but notice that you dont seem quite so aghast when I uncoil my rage at the People's Temple of Trump. I've written VOLUMES of tantrums against the poisons of the cult, and I've apparently missed your pearl-clutching, there. Is it because you're as pathetic a slave to partisanship as the MAGA monkeys? It's an endless source of amusement for me to see you guys celebrate me in one breath, then nearly snap your necks in an extreme 180, when you realize - HEY... SHE'S AN ACTUAL CONSERVATIVE! HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?? I've always been. My repulsion of Trump stems from my conservatism. I didnt give any of that up. I just see Trump as a cancer in the national bloodstream, desperately in need of removal. That doesnt mean I joined the other side. Sorry to give you whiplash.
Contraception is a good thing. Abortion is not.
Who are you talking to [other than yourself]?
They literally lied to get on the court to make this ruling. That's what I want everyone to take from this. They will force you to carry a pregnancy to term even at the risk of your own life because of their bullcrap religion but they have no issue throwing those religious beliefs out the window if it helps them gain power.
And the hate for christianity will only grow. Good.
Such a demented level of wickedness.
Exactly. And you celebrate it.
I dont celebrate anyone going to Hell. It is a most preventable tragedy.