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Chris J. Karr's avatar

Thanks for the piece.

The thing that has been very illuminating is that it answered a question I've had about Trump and his Base is whether the Base would stand by him should news ever leak that he paid for an abortion. The Base tripped all over itself to grant Trump his "mulligans" under the theory that they'd get better policy outcomes from a very imperfect man (at least the transactional members of the Base, leaving out the personality cult folks) and they were correct (at least as opposed to Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton) with the downfall of Roe v. Wade.

We never heard about Trump's abortions (should they actually exist), but Walker has been enough of a #MAGA proxy to answer the question for me. There's not much that will disqualify a GOP candidate as long as they promise to vote along with the rest of the crowd. I get that, but it puts the FINAL nail into any pretension that the dominant elements of the Right cares about anything other than power, and while I expect that from the politicians, I was a bit surprised that the National Right to Life Committee chose to stand behind Walker after one of his baby mommas dropped a dime and a receipts for the abortion that he paid for.[1]

Maybe I'm too dense and absorbed the lesson too slowly, but principles no longer matter in this world.

Now the one that hurts was a post that I saw from my old constitutional law professor endorsing Mike Lee[2] over Evan McMullin on the basis of the abortion issue, COMPLETELY ignoring Lee's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and being Sidney Powell's usher into the White House. Prof. George didn't have to say anything on the Utah race (and I can see why 2022 McMullin wouldn't earn his endorsement), but to be out there pushing one of the key proponents of the 2020 insurrection blows my mind.

This has been a very illuminating election cycle (especially for a midterm) that won't be soon forgotten.

[1] https://www.nrlc.org/communications/national-right-to-life-statement-on-herschel-walker/

[2] https://www.facebook.com/robert.p.george.39/posts/pfbid0hoBcpR7UGTxsYgffokZkMpx8ZuMnzxE7LtQNRnArvr6w4qXotZEkzmZhdkSyuibCl

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SGman's avatar

That the GOP will vote lockstep with the crazies like MTG is a given at this point. There is no separating them at this point, so giving the GOP any amount of control comes off as extremely naive.

The thing that gets me is the election integrity issue: its only an issue for the GOP if they lose. If the system is truly broken then they'd want every election to be investigated - but that's not the case. It's a blatant attempt to invalidate the legitimacy of the Democratic party, and the state level races for control of these systems is where we are going to start seeing serious shenanigans taking place.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

I need more proof than your say-so that Republicans would vote in lockstep with MTG. It appears to me that democrats have a far bigger cohort of crazies - AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley, Jayapal, Bush, Bowman, Hank Johnson....................

What basis do you have for predicting Republican shenanigans and not democrat shenanigans in statewide races? Being up front on this, I predict some shenanigans on each side. It's the game of politics. Anyone expecting a good outcome will be disappointed.

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SGman's avatar

MJT, Gosar, Boebert and Gaetz will end up in leadership positions. They are the face of the party.

The Dems you have mentioned will not. They are not the face of the party.

GOP candidates like Kari Lake state that if they win it's legitimate and if they lose it's not.

GOP state legislatures have and are enacting laws to allow them to overturn election results. Democratic state legislatures are not.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

First serious case of democrat shenanigans at the state level.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/30/pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-registration-form/

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SGman's avatar

That's not shenanigans: the change itself isn't being stated to be an issue in anything but timing. It doesn't fundamentally help any one party.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Yeah - copied wrong link. Try this one. The democrat bureaucrats are clearly trying to circumvent the legislative process.

https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-supreme-court-to-consider-lawsuit-over-undated-mail-in-ballots/41739796#

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

I can't find a quote from Kari Lake stating what you claim. You must be extrapolating from some other statement.

What will you have to say if your prediction about MTG, Gosar, Boebert and Gaetz doesn't come true? It is nothing but idle speculation at this point. Just my opinion but I look at the party as a whole. Each member of congress has a vote. The total vote is the face of the party. Some of them, mainly Republicans, vote with the opposite party for political purposes but they are not the face of the party they caucus with. They are just politicians buying votes.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/10/16/arizona-governor-candidate-kari-lake-election-results/10517773002/

It's the same thing Trump said about 2016 and 2020: if he loses it was all rigged, and if he wins it's legitimate.

The party as a whole has no solutions, only hatred and reactionism.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

She's going to win and accept that result. Sounds like a simple, confident statement from a candidate.

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Curtis Stinespring's avatar

Herschel is at least as good as Warnock but only because his strings will be pulled by politicians I am more likely to agree with. I remain astounded that no prominent successful Georgia conservative. would enter the Senate race. Where the hell is the GOP in Georgia?

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