Well said guys, it really is that simple isn't it? Denouncing violence on any level by either party should be a given. But then realistically, this is 2024. Sadly we live in times that are anything but normal. Your pleas were spot on, but don't hold your breath across the spectrum.
Think i'm mistaken? I deleted it when EE's email came to my inbox, but after reading your group response, i went to my trash, opened it and was dismayed to see this foolishness from a reasonable Christian journalist: "Now, the press is blaming Trump for not toning down the rhetoric. The press won’t be happy until Trump is killed."
I would give his crap a hearty Amen, but it would be pure BS. And then people wonder how we got here?
Yes, murder is wrong. Violence is wrong. This is what Donald Trump wrote at 7:36 am today on Truth Social stoking prayer, peace and unity.
From DJT:
"Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and prayers yesterday, as it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will FEAR NOT, but instead remain resilient in our Faith and Defiant in the face of Wickedness. Our love goes out to the other victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of those who were wounded, and hold in our hearts the memory of the citizen who was so horribly killed. In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win. I truly love our Country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our Great Nation this week from Wisconsin.
Do we really believe Donald authored this? I don’t. Sorry I just don’t. His words the next few days will reveal the truth of his feelings. His followers have been full of hate and retribution all the while telling everyone else to shut up.
A compliment to Clinton Bush , Obama, and Biden. A dig at Trump. Guess you just can't help yourselves. Biden started his campaign with a lie about Charlottsville and has been stoking fires of hatred for 4 years. Biden said one thing that is true. We are in a battle for the soul of America. And Joe Biden is on the wrong side.
"Rather than using the incident to further stoke the fires of extremism." What would make you write that? If you had cut the line off right before that, I would have also said well said, but I can't now. These are the kinds of vitriolic words that exasperate those of us that have a real problem with the press and editorialists such as yourself, who just cannot bring themselves to tone things down so that we can return to a sense of calmness and sanity.
"From encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, to invoking the possibility of “Second Amendment people” attacking Hillary Clinton, to glorifying police brutality, to inciting an insurrection, to suggesting military leaders he doesn’t like should be executed, to mocking Paul Pelosi after he was assaulted by one of his supporters — glorifying violence and threatening his enemies with it has been a weapon Trump has wielded over and over again throughout his political career.
This is the reason the calls by Trump supporters to turn down the rhetorical temperature in the wake of Saturday’s shooting ring so hollow. It’s as absurd as asking a Republican to run on a platform of increasing taxes on the rich. Spewing invective on his enemies until they fear for their safety is part of Trump’s brand and always will be."
Those are some of the reasons I will not vote for him, but he did NOT incite an insurrection, that is a complete lie, and when his supporters wanted Hillary locked up, he refused to go down that road. Suggesting military leaders be executed? You will have to give me examples...in any case, taking the word of those that will double down on their fabrications to make political points isn't something I'm prepared to listen to.
You'll have to do much better than that with regard to Jan.6th. Every time Mr.Thornton or Mr. Berman try to lie about that, I debunk it, so you trying it won't work either.
Let me take a stab at this for the boys, though i suspect once they get home from Church they will fill in the blanks for you. Before i begin, thanks to Raymond for posting the former president's comments from Truth last night.
Which is the perfect jumping off point in responding to your allegations CS. The response by Jay, Steve and David was the hope that this tragic event won't be used to "stoke the fires of extremism." Nothing is ever measured in one comment, one post or certainly the day after it happens.
I would hope trump's message will become the new mantra embraced by him, the maga party and all of his followers. The test, and i mean the TEST will be the next 4 days in Milwaukee, won't it? Do you honestly believe this attempt will have transformed him and made him a better version of himself? One can only hope. Lot's of hope involved here eh?
I'll patiently wait to see and hear the tone coming from the stage this week. I'll wait to read the fund raising emails pouring from the campaign telling us all to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. What i won't be doing is holding my breath expecting it to change.
I hope i am wrong. I hope the Saturday shooting was the great awakening for him. Like the "boys," color me skeptical. We'll see won't we?
Yes, we will, and I noticed crickets from all of you concerning Biden's rally in Michigan the night before the assassination attempt where he was completely off the rails with his heinous and evil rhetoric.
"Heinous and evil rhetoric." Your words CS, care to enlighten us on what was so egregious in his comments? In fact, what we should do is lay out the two side by side and see who loves to inflame the crowd with vile comments.
Before we do that, please share with us all the words Biden used in Michigan that was heinous and evil.
That's intellectually lazy Curtis, i expect better from you. The claim by CS was "heinous and evil." I watched most of it live and frankly it came nowhere near that level. What i heard was the normal every day rhetoric of politician's trying to stir up the base. At one point Joe said, "over my dead body." His, not trumps.
Obviously, all that occurred PRIOR to the trump shooting constitutes the stuff we need LESS of, from both sides. The point is there has been way excessive incendiary language from both sides. For a very long time. Do we need an exhaustive list of examples of egregious language from both sides, or can we just acknowledge concepts here?
Definitely both. That’s the point. It behooves everybody to greatly lower the temp. Anyone who says it’s only a problem on one side, remains part of the problem.
Well said guys, it really is that simple isn't it? Denouncing violence on any level by either party should be a given. But then realistically, this is 2024. Sadly we live in times that are anything but normal. Your pleas were spot on, but don't hold your breath across the spectrum.
Think i'm mistaken? I deleted it when EE's email came to my inbox, but after reading your group response, i went to my trash, opened it and was dismayed to see this foolishness from a reasonable Christian journalist: "Now, the press is blaming Trump for not toning down the rhetoric. The press won’t be happy until Trump is killed."
I would give his crap a hearty Amen, but it would be pure BS. And then people wonder how we got here?
BTW...AMEN to the three of you.
Yes, murder is wrong. Violence is wrong. This is what Donald Trump wrote at 7:36 am today on Truth Social stoking prayer, peace and unity.
From DJT:
"Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and prayers yesterday, as it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will FEAR NOT, but instead remain resilient in our Faith and Defiant in the face of Wickedness. Our love goes out to the other victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of those who were wounded, and hold in our hearts the memory of the citizen who was so horribly killed. In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win. I truly love our Country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our Great Nation this week from Wisconsin.
🙏 DJT
This was a good statement. I sincerely hope he continues in this vein when he starts speaking publicly.
Do we really believe Donald authored this? I don’t. Sorry I just don’t. His words the next few days will reveal the truth of his feelings. His followers have been full of hate and retribution all the while telling everyone else to shut up.
We need more of this from DT. We need more of this from both sides, from top to bottom.
Well said.
A compliment to Clinton Bush , Obama, and Biden. A dig at Trump. Guess you just can't help yourselves. Biden started his campaign with a lie about Charlottsville and has been stoking fires of hatred for 4 years. Biden said one thing that is true. We are in a battle for the soul of America. And Joe Biden is on the wrong side.
A registered Republican shot at the Republican candidate at a Republican rally, and it's the Democrats fault?
And on cue, Trump posts a divisive message to start off the work week.
So much for the change in tone.
"Rather than using the incident to further stoke the fires of extremism." What would make you write that? If you had cut the line off right before that, I would have also said well said, but I can't now. These are the kinds of vitriolic words that exasperate those of us that have a real problem with the press and editorialists such as yourself, who just cannot bring themselves to tone things down so that we can return to a sense of calmness and sanity.
Mr. Trump's history speaks for itself.
History of what? And your history speaks for itself as well.
"From encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, to invoking the possibility of “Second Amendment people” attacking Hillary Clinton, to glorifying police brutality, to inciting an insurrection, to suggesting military leaders he doesn’t like should be executed, to mocking Paul Pelosi after he was assaulted by one of his supporters — glorifying violence and threatening his enemies with it has been a weapon Trump has wielded over and over again throughout his political career.
This is the reason the calls by Trump supporters to turn down the rhetorical temperature in the wake of Saturday’s shooting ring so hollow. It’s as absurd as asking a Republican to run on a platform of increasing taxes on the rich. Spewing invective on his enemies until they fear for their safety is part of Trump’s brand and always will be."
Those are some of the reasons I will not vote for him, but he did NOT incite an insurrection, that is a complete lie, and when his supporters wanted Hillary locked up, he refused to go down that road. Suggesting military leaders be executed? You will have to give me examples...in any case, taking the word of those that will double down on their fabrications to make political points isn't something I'm prepared to listen to.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/top-us-general-taking-steps-protect-family-after-trump-death-comments-2023-09-28/
And yes, he did incite an insurrection. He glorifies violence and violent rhetoric, priming his followers to use violence for political ends.
You'll have to do much better than that with regard to Jan.6th. Every time Mr.Thornton or Mr. Berman try to lie about that, I debunk it, so you trying it won't work either.
Let me take a stab at this for the boys, though i suspect once they get home from Church they will fill in the blanks for you. Before i begin, thanks to Raymond for posting the former president's comments from Truth last night.
Which is the perfect jumping off point in responding to your allegations CS. The response by Jay, Steve and David was the hope that this tragic event won't be used to "stoke the fires of extremism." Nothing is ever measured in one comment, one post or certainly the day after it happens.
I would hope trump's message will become the new mantra embraced by him, the maga party and all of his followers. The test, and i mean the TEST will be the next 4 days in Milwaukee, won't it? Do you honestly believe this attempt will have transformed him and made him a better version of himself? One can only hope. Lot's of hope involved here eh?
I'll patiently wait to see and hear the tone coming from the stage this week. I'll wait to read the fund raising emails pouring from the campaign telling us all to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. What i won't be doing is holding my breath expecting it to change.
I hope i am wrong. I hope the Saturday shooting was the great awakening for him. Like the "boys," color me skeptical. We'll see won't we?
Yes, we will, and I noticed crickets from all of you concerning Biden's rally in Michigan the night before the assassination attempt where he was completely off the rails with his heinous and evil rhetoric.
"Heinous and evil rhetoric." Your words CS, care to enlighten us on what was so egregious in his comments? In fact, what we should do is lay out the two side by side and see who loves to inflame the crowd with vile comments.
Before we do that, please share with us all the words Biden used in Michigan that was heinous and evil.
Thanks.
Here you go Bill. Watch, listen and enjoy.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?536973-1/president-biden-campaigns-detroit-michigan&live
That's intellectually lazy Curtis, i expect better from you. The claim by CS was "heinous and evil." I watched most of it live and frankly it came nowhere near that level. What i heard was the normal every day rhetoric of politician's trying to stir up the base. At one point Joe said, "over my dead body." His, not trumps.
Just to help you both out:
1). Heinous: hateful; odious; abominable; totally reprehensible:
2). Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked.
Hoping (there's that word again) that helps narrow it all down.
Biden's rhetoric was filled with lies. Heinous and evil describes it perfectly.
Obviously, all that occurred PRIOR to the trump shooting constitutes the stuff we need LESS of, from both sides. The point is there has been way excessive incendiary language from both sides. For a very long time. Do we need an exhaustive list of examples of egregious language from both sides, or can we just acknowledge concepts here?
The “using” of this incident to “stoke” those fires has already happened.
If you find those words vitriolic, your repugnance should be directed towards reality.
Well, maybe both, eh, Steve?
Definitely both. That’s the point. It behooves everybody to greatly lower the temp. Anyone who says it’s only a problem on one side, remains part of the problem.
The problem is there's false equivalence at play, jus like always.