Is Pence a good guy? Most probably. Does he have experience? Yes. Does he have good judgement? No. If he did he never would have signed on to the Trump campaign who ended up trying to kill him.
I'm not looking for an argument, but I'll probably get one. My understanding was that a number of congress persons voted to object to the vote count in several states - not to overturn the election. This happened a number of times before, most recently after the 2016 election when seven far left democrat Representatives objected to state votes. The only difference is that the seven objectors in 2016 were unable to obtain the support of a Senator in order for objections to be voted on in the joint session.
If I'm wrong, I'll apologize but, I believe more precise language is needed before accusing people of acting illegally. We can infer motive, but it remains speculation until contested in a court of law.
Steve, I don't get your reference to Raphael Warnock as an example of the church shifting to the political. Doug Collins, was a pastor, too. Had he defeated Kelly Loeffler in the run-off, would you have referred to him? And then there is Republican Jody Hice, who was a pastor until 2013 when he stepped down to run for US representative to Congress for the 10th district and who voted to overturn the November 3 election results and to nullify the votes of 10s of thousands of voters in his district.This same pastor--turned-Republican congressman, on the morning of Jan. 6, urged supporters to “FIGHT” and stated “This is our 1776 moment." This same pastor-turned -Republican congressman who is now challenging (with Donald Trump's endorsement) GA Secretary of State, Brad Raffensberger, who had the temerity to affirm the integrity of Georgia 's 2020 election results.
You are correct, when you say "what we do at church has also shifted to the political" and I submit those church actions gave us Donald Trump, brought us to Jan 6, and where we are, today. I'll take a Raphael Warnock over a Doug Collins, Jody Hice, and Mike Pence, any day. At least, Warnock respects the concept of the separation of church and state. I believe what we are looking at here is wheat and chaff.
Is Pence a good guy? Most probably. Does he have experience? Yes. Does he have good judgement? No. If he did he never would have signed on to the Trump campaign who ended up trying to kill him.
I'm not looking for an argument, but I'll probably get one. My understanding was that a number of congress persons voted to object to the vote count in several states - not to overturn the election. This happened a number of times before, most recently after the 2016 election when seven far left democrat Representatives objected to state votes. The only difference is that the seven objectors in 2016 were unable to obtain the support of a Senator in order for objections to be voted on in the joint session.
If I'm wrong, I'll apologize but, I believe more precise language is needed before accusing people of acting illegally. We can infer motive, but it remains speculation until contested in a court of law.
Steve, I don't get your reference to Raphael Warnock as an example of the church shifting to the political. Doug Collins, was a pastor, too. Had he defeated Kelly Loeffler in the run-off, would you have referred to him? And then there is Republican Jody Hice, who was a pastor until 2013 when he stepped down to run for US representative to Congress for the 10th district and who voted to overturn the November 3 election results and to nullify the votes of 10s of thousands of voters in his district.This same pastor--turned-Republican congressman, on the morning of Jan. 6, urged supporters to “FIGHT” and stated “This is our 1776 moment." This same pastor-turned -Republican congressman who is now challenging (with Donald Trump's endorsement) GA Secretary of State, Brad Raffensberger, who had the temerity to affirm the integrity of Georgia 's 2020 election results.
You are correct, when you say "what we do at church has also shifted to the political" and I submit those church actions gave us Donald Trump, brought us to Jan 6, and where we are, today. I'll take a Raphael Warnock over a Doug Collins, Jody Hice, and Mike Pence, any day. At least, Warnock respects the concept of the separation of church and state. I believe what we are looking at here is wheat and chaff.