For the unvaccinated, we're fast approaching the point of throwing bad money (and effort) after good:
"Most Americans who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states."
"Among American adults who have not yet received a vaccine, 35% say they probably will not, and 45% say they definitely will not, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just 3% say they definitely will get the shots, though another 16% say they probably will."[1]
Let's get that last 19% their shots and be finished with trying to persuade the holdouts that they should act for their own self benefit. Let's send the remaining shots overseas to folks who will appreciate them and let this utterly predictable and avoidable situation unfold, documenting it as cautionary tale to tell surviving generations. Let's take the resources that would be wasted on public outreach, folks going door-to-door, etc. and do something productive with it for the people who aren't dead set on kamikaze'ing their own communities in a pointless culture war.
Is your outraged friend aware that vaccine requirements for students is a ship that sailed a LONG time ago?
To pick a school near you (UGA): "It is the policy of the University Health Center to comply with the mandatory immunization program established by the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia. These requirements include documented proof of immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, varicella (chicken pox), tetanus, and hepatitis B, and completed screening questionnaire for tuberculosis prior to registration at the University of Georgia. All entering students must meet these requirements, and no clearances are given to allow registration without meeting these requirements."[1]
Seems odd to be still fighting this war in the 21st century when it was lost decades ago.
You are far more tolerant than i David, i simply have come to the point where i ignore them. There's no point in arguing. I'm so tired of hearing these two things: "i want everything back to normal," and the ever present lament, "freedom."
And the irony is just this: All of us want things back to normal, all of us believe in freedom. Duh...doesn't matter, left right or in the middle we all want those to be at the core of our existence as we go forward.
The path there is simple, nothing profound or overly confusing: Get vaccinated. That's it, nothing more nothing less. You want to be free? You want things back to normal? Get vaccinated.
You kind of started to get to this point and then you stopped. Listening to the anti-vaxxers is just like listening to the big lie. Almost every argument starts with made up crap and the building blocks of more lies are piled on to reinforce the untruths. That's why there is no point arguing with them. Facts don't matter, only their twisted fabricated nonsense they have been fed by the con men feeding off the suckers.
As i said when i was trying to get you and Steve in a cage match with thousands in attendance we are headed to a very bad place. Remember, these are the "good months." Everyone is outside with less transmission. Come fall with huge indoor events and no masks, no social distancing and the delta variant growing in strength and spread something will have to give and it won't be more freedom and getting back to normal. One further speculation...watch those on the right arguing against getting vaccinated blame Biden.
I am a senior with a couple of preconditions that would likely make me part of the high risk group from covid and that is why I got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. What we saw and are seeing with the push to vaccinate the younger and healthier today is fear mongering and an exercise to effect control. Once we have got the high risk groups vaccinated this virus is nothing more than a tough years flu. Sorry if you don't see it but look at the data. The risk of serious illness or death for healthy people under 40 is tiny and under 25 is not measurable. We do not know enough about this vaccine to be encouraging kids to get the shot. We don't need to be experimenting on our future.
Our medical community has really let us down with the pursuit of therapeutics and if we were making serious advancements in this field we could lower the severe illness and death numbers for all healthy individuals to virtually zero. The rest of the world is leading the way with development of treatment regimens. This virus, thanks to China, whether intentional or accidental release, is going to be with us forever and we need to overcome it with a program of vaccines and natural/herd immunity or we will be walking around scared for the rest of our lives. That is not for me. Did you notice how the criminals are taking advantage of masks to escape being caught or prosecuted for their violent crimes. The acceptance of wearing masks is contributing to the escalated crime rates. It is also had a very serious effect on the psyche or our nation.
I think the Cleveland Rocks sounds good. I didn't think there was anything offensive about the Cleveland Indians name at all, but I think I can get used to the new name. With that said, it'll be very interesting to see what will be the new name of the team once known as the Washington Redskins. I remember my youthful days making fun of how the Redskins constantly sucked(apologizes in advance to any fan out there!), and would refer to them as the Washington Deadskins. That and the Cowboys were the teams that I disliked the most as in my youth. Emmitt Smith just rubbed me off the wrong way, and so I savored a lot of loss by the Dallas Cowgirls. I don't hate these teams as did as I was a youngster, but if the Redskins became the Washington Sux(the nomenclature counterpart to the Cleveland Rocks), it would still be an accurate description of how the team has been playing for many years now. ;)
It is time for Fox News to pull the plug on Carlson just like they did on Lou Dobbs when he kept asserting the election was stolen from Trump. Tucker's show has a lot of viewers, and Fox needs to make the decision between choosing what is lucrative, and what is morally correct.
At this point, if people choose not to get the vaccine, they don't deserve one. After a certain point, to heck with them. Just send the doses overseas in developing countries where many people would gladly get it. And they sure as heck would be far more grateful for it than the ones here who refuse it. It would great diplomacy and for building coalitions to counter China. Make jabs mandatory for the military, hospitals, schools. But for individuals who stubbornly refuse, make them pay for their decision by giving away their dose to someone else more deserving. We would be wasting our time trying to make them get jabbed, giving fuel to Tucker and Berenson to proclaim on the coming of the Fourth Reich, and allowing these vax-refusers to play victim and denigrate our society even further. I don't want my tax money used on them anymore, as this is getting ridiculous. We've discussed here previously at the Racket about the Carrot and Stick approach, and I think will go a long way in rewarding the responsible, and making the irresponsible pay a big price for their poor choices.
I know this isn't popular among on the political right, but vaccine passports strengthens a free market by giving businesses the resources it needs to ensure a safe commercial/retail environment. They wouldn't have to worry about the unvaxxed costing them business, by having responsible consumers shy away. Small businesses in particular would benefit from this. And I agree with allowing health insurance companies to charge higher premiums and fees for the unvaxxed(minus the few who cannot get a vaccine for health reasons). Jack them up extremely high, might I add, and make it hurt. The vaccine passports will give airlines a tool to deny boarding for the purposefully unvaxxed, and as a frequent air traveler myself, I would welcome that. Also, if you don't get vaccinated, then no government handouts or benefits to you, period. Give a recurring tax credit for the vaxxed, making the unvaxxed end up with a higher tax liability. Local and state governments can either require workplaces to have their workers vaxxed, or they can provide tax breaks for companies that require it. Also, require any organization that receives Federal/State monies to have their employees vaccinated. If they don't, then they forfeit their grants and benefits. I think this Carrot and stick approach allows for a healthy combination of the free market and government rules to make sure we aren't the ones paying for the poor choices of others.
Right wing media is evil. They have successfully convinced a very stupid portion of our country that only they can be trusted. And they are literally leading those people to their deaths.
It is now May 2023 and I hope you are thoroughly ashamed that you wrote such totalitarian tosh. Some of us also got it wrong, like my taking jabs 1 and 2 in Jan and Feb 2020 but not being such a twit, twerp and pillock to take another
For the unvaccinated, we're fast approaching the point of throwing bad money (and effort) after good:
"Most Americans who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states."
"Among American adults who have not yet received a vaccine, 35% say they probably will not, and 45% say they definitely will not, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just 3% say they definitely will get the shots, though another 16% say they probably will."[1]
Let's get that last 19% their shots and be finished with trying to persuade the holdouts that they should act for their own self benefit. Let's send the remaining shots overseas to folks who will appreciate them and let this utterly predictable and avoidable situation unfold, documenting it as cautionary tale to tell surviving generations. Let's take the resources that would be wasted on public outreach, folks going door-to-door, etc. and do something productive with it for the people who aren't dead set on kamikaze'ing their own communities in a pointless culture war.
[1] https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-science-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-36ea18ee3a3397da7edd5b8249f0e477
Is your outraged friend aware that vaccine requirements for students is a ship that sailed a LONG time ago?
To pick a school near you (UGA): "It is the policy of the University Health Center to comply with the mandatory immunization program established by the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia. These requirements include documented proof of immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, varicella (chicken pox), tetanus, and hepatitis B, and completed screening questionnaire for tuberculosis prior to registration at the University of Georgia. All entering students must meet these requirements, and no clearances are given to allow registration without meeting these requirements."[1]
Seems odd to be still fighting this war in the 21st century when it was lost decades ago.
[1] https://www.uhs.uga.edu/info/immunizations
You are far more tolerant than i David, i simply have come to the point where i ignore them. There's no point in arguing. I'm so tired of hearing these two things: "i want everything back to normal," and the ever present lament, "freedom."
And the irony is just this: All of us want things back to normal, all of us believe in freedom. Duh...doesn't matter, left right or in the middle we all want those to be at the core of our existence as we go forward.
The path there is simple, nothing profound or overly confusing: Get vaccinated. That's it, nothing more nothing less. You want to be free? You want things back to normal? Get vaccinated.
You kind of started to get to this point and then you stopped. Listening to the anti-vaxxers is just like listening to the big lie. Almost every argument starts with made up crap and the building blocks of more lies are piled on to reinforce the untruths. That's why there is no point arguing with them. Facts don't matter, only their twisted fabricated nonsense they have been fed by the con men feeding off the suckers.
As i said when i was trying to get you and Steve in a cage match with thousands in attendance we are headed to a very bad place. Remember, these are the "good months." Everyone is outside with less transmission. Come fall with huge indoor events and no masks, no social distancing and the delta variant growing in strength and spread something will have to give and it won't be more freedom and getting back to normal. One further speculation...watch those on the right arguing against getting vaccinated blame Biden.
I am a senior with a couple of preconditions that would likely make me part of the high risk group from covid and that is why I got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. What we saw and are seeing with the push to vaccinate the younger and healthier today is fear mongering and an exercise to effect control. Once we have got the high risk groups vaccinated this virus is nothing more than a tough years flu. Sorry if you don't see it but look at the data. The risk of serious illness or death for healthy people under 40 is tiny and under 25 is not measurable. We do not know enough about this vaccine to be encouraging kids to get the shot. We don't need to be experimenting on our future.
Our medical community has really let us down with the pursuit of therapeutics and if we were making serious advancements in this field we could lower the severe illness and death numbers for all healthy individuals to virtually zero. The rest of the world is leading the way with development of treatment regimens. This virus, thanks to China, whether intentional or accidental release, is going to be with us forever and we need to overcome it with a program of vaccines and natural/herd immunity or we will be walking around scared for the rest of our lives. That is not for me. Did you notice how the criminals are taking advantage of masks to escape being caught or prosecuted for their violent crimes. The acceptance of wearing masks is contributing to the escalated crime rates. It is also had a very serious effect on the psyche or our nation.
I think the Cleveland Rocks sounds good. I didn't think there was anything offensive about the Cleveland Indians name at all, but I think I can get used to the new name. With that said, it'll be very interesting to see what will be the new name of the team once known as the Washington Redskins. I remember my youthful days making fun of how the Redskins constantly sucked(apologizes in advance to any fan out there!), and would refer to them as the Washington Deadskins. That and the Cowboys were the teams that I disliked the most as in my youth. Emmitt Smith just rubbed me off the wrong way, and so I savored a lot of loss by the Dallas Cowgirls. I don't hate these teams as did as I was a youngster, but if the Redskins became the Washington Sux(the nomenclature counterpart to the Cleveland Rocks), it would still be an accurate description of how the team has been playing for many years now. ;)
It is time for Fox News to pull the plug on Carlson just like they did on Lou Dobbs when he kept asserting the election was stolen from Trump. Tucker's show has a lot of viewers, and Fox needs to make the decision between choosing what is lucrative, and what is morally correct.
At this point, if people choose not to get the vaccine, they don't deserve one. After a certain point, to heck with them. Just send the doses overseas in developing countries where many people would gladly get it. And they sure as heck would be far more grateful for it than the ones here who refuse it. It would great diplomacy and for building coalitions to counter China. Make jabs mandatory for the military, hospitals, schools. But for individuals who stubbornly refuse, make them pay for their decision by giving away their dose to someone else more deserving. We would be wasting our time trying to make them get jabbed, giving fuel to Tucker and Berenson to proclaim on the coming of the Fourth Reich, and allowing these vax-refusers to play victim and denigrate our society even further. I don't want my tax money used on them anymore, as this is getting ridiculous. We've discussed here previously at the Racket about the Carrot and Stick approach, and I think will go a long way in rewarding the responsible, and making the irresponsible pay a big price for their poor choices.
I know this isn't popular among on the political right, but vaccine passports strengthens a free market by giving businesses the resources it needs to ensure a safe commercial/retail environment. They wouldn't have to worry about the unvaxxed costing them business, by having responsible consumers shy away. Small businesses in particular would benefit from this. And I agree with allowing health insurance companies to charge higher premiums and fees for the unvaxxed(minus the few who cannot get a vaccine for health reasons). Jack them up extremely high, might I add, and make it hurt. The vaccine passports will give airlines a tool to deny boarding for the purposefully unvaxxed, and as a frequent air traveler myself, I would welcome that. Also, if you don't get vaccinated, then no government handouts or benefits to you, period. Give a recurring tax credit for the vaxxed, making the unvaxxed end up with a higher tax liability. Local and state governments can either require workplaces to have their workers vaxxed, or they can provide tax breaks for companies that require it. Also, require any organization that receives Federal/State monies to have their employees vaccinated. If they don't, then they forfeit their grants and benefits. I think this Carrot and stick approach allows for a healthy combination of the free market and government rules to make sure we aren't the ones paying for the poor choices of others.
+1 for the Cleveland Rocks!
Right wing media is evil. They have successfully convinced a very stupid portion of our country that only they can be trusted. And they are literally leading those people to their deaths.
It is now May 2023 and I hope you are thoroughly ashamed that you wrote such totalitarian tosh. Some of us also got it wrong, like my taking jabs 1 and 2 in Jan and Feb 2020 but not being such a twit, twerp and pillock to take another