"I have seen signs that the January 6 committee’s message is penetrating into Trump’s GOP base. Just yesterday, I was working with a coworker who was a big Trump supporter. Just a few months ago, this person was anxious for Trump to run again, but yesterday he mentioned that he had been talking with his father and they had both decided against supporting Trump in 2024. He did, however, acknowledge that they would vote for Trump if he was the nominee."
The line I'll be leaning on over the next two years to convince folks to look somewhere else is one I've heard elsewhere: "Why vote for Trump when you'll only get 4 years, MAX, when you can support just about anyone else and get as many as 8 years instead."
I've been seeing that put forth in some pretty interesting places that would normally be Trump enclaves, and I decided to adopt it as my main talking point.
Working or not working David and Chris, the damage has been done. The guard rails are gone, there are no more the norms we as a society functioned under. No more right, no more wrong. Too many simply do as they please, no repercussions.
This week several stories jumped off the pages at me; someone please explain The Preacher in Florida who with his wife and two kids beat the feds out of 8 million dollars in covid19 relief funds. They caught them red handed with the evidence, still walking around free. The Wisconsin republicans in both the house and senate allowing the democratic governor to replace appointees whose terms were done. Then the republican controlled judges agreed with them.
What the hell happened? How about all of the states where the courts have told republicans their gerrymandering efforts were illegal and they still went ahead with them anyway. We've now come to accept folks being above the law and still being somehow righteous and just in whatever, as long as they are winning.
Frankly i am sick of trump and have been for a long time. Run? Don't run? Doesn't matter, for him it's just the ability to keep the con going, keep his name in front of the shills and the marks so they keep sending him their money. Which they are.
This isn't Ocean's 8, 11, 12 or 13, where the con artists are bilking the scumbags. This is the scumbags (and there's a boatload of them) bilking the rubes out of every nickle they can. Jail time would be too good for them. Don't hold your freaking breath. Morality is dead and buried. Thanks donald, another check mark on your wall of shame. God knows there's plenty of them.
There you go again. Expecting political machinations to be exercises in morality. There are thousands of examples to show that a significant number of politicians in both parties to be significantly imperfect. You forgot to mention the Pennsylvania Supreme Court declining to sanction unlawful voting rules changes by the governor and bureaucrats in 2020. You must also have forgotten governors and courts deciding that Covid trumped the constitution. Evers was one of those. Condemn them all if you expect credibility.
I could easily rebut your response Curtis, with the fact the Pennsylvania debacle was a 2019 law passed by the republican house and senate. We could talk about the pandemic response and a million American's lost and the debacle of it all/morality or lack thereof.
Better yet, i will let Liz Chaney say it way better than me at her debate from the other night:" I will never put party above my duty to the country. I will never put party above my duty to the Constitution. I swore an oath under God and I will abide by that oath. I won’t say something that I know is wrong simply to earn the votes of people to earn political support."
The change to the voting rules was not in conformance with the law passed by the PA legislature.
Almost everyone who is susceptible to Covid got it and they continue to be reinfected. The death toll has dropped only because of available vaccines and improved treatment and the fact that the variants, so far, generally cause less severe illness.
I didn't really want to have the debate about Pennsylvania, though i will mention Justice Alito refused to deal with the matter. My real point in the post were Liz Chaney's comments, i noticed you didn't touch them with the proverbial ten foot pole. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Justice Alito pretty much said that Pennsylvania did it to themselves and that elections are state matters. I agree. That should be the case in all matters not clearly covered by the US Constitution. My gripe was directed at the PA executive and judicial branches and intended to be analogous to your gripe about Wisconsin.
My only gripe with Liz is that she should work with the GOP to better state her case without making it a blanket condemnation of half the Republican office holders, candidates and voters. If the party isn't what she wants it to be, she will never change it by bad-mouthing so many of its constituents.
"I have seen signs that the January 6 committee’s message is penetrating into Trump’s GOP base. Just yesterday, I was working with a coworker who was a big Trump supporter. Just a few months ago, this person was anxious for Trump to run again, but yesterday he mentioned that he had been talking with his father and they had both decided against supporting Trump in 2024. He did, however, acknowledge that they would vote for Trump if he was the nominee."
The line I'll be leaning on over the next two years to convince folks to look somewhere else is one I've heard elsewhere: "Why vote for Trump when you'll only get 4 years, MAX, when you can support just about anyone else and get as many as 8 years instead."
I've been seeing that put forth in some pretty interesting places that would normally be Trump enclaves, and I decided to adopt it as my main talking point.
Working or not working David and Chris, the damage has been done. The guard rails are gone, there are no more the norms we as a society functioned under. No more right, no more wrong. Too many simply do as they please, no repercussions.
This week several stories jumped off the pages at me; someone please explain The Preacher in Florida who with his wife and two kids beat the feds out of 8 million dollars in covid19 relief funds. They caught them red handed with the evidence, still walking around free. The Wisconsin republicans in both the house and senate allowing the democratic governor to replace appointees whose terms were done. Then the republican controlled judges agreed with them.
What the hell happened? How about all of the states where the courts have told republicans their gerrymandering efforts were illegal and they still went ahead with them anyway. We've now come to accept folks being above the law and still being somehow righteous and just in whatever, as long as they are winning.
Frankly i am sick of trump and have been for a long time. Run? Don't run? Doesn't matter, for him it's just the ability to keep the con going, keep his name in front of the shills and the marks so they keep sending him their money. Which they are.
This isn't Ocean's 8, 11, 12 or 13, where the con artists are bilking the scumbags. This is the scumbags (and there's a boatload of them) bilking the rubes out of every nickle they can. Jail time would be too good for them. Don't hold your freaking breath. Morality is dead and buried. Thanks donald, another check mark on your wall of shame. God knows there's plenty of them.
There you go again. Expecting political machinations to be exercises in morality. There are thousands of examples to show that a significant number of politicians in both parties to be significantly imperfect. You forgot to mention the Pennsylvania Supreme Court declining to sanction unlawful voting rules changes by the governor and bureaucrats in 2020. You must also have forgotten governors and courts deciding that Covid trumped the constitution. Evers was one of those. Condemn them all if you expect credibility.
I could easily rebut your response Curtis, with the fact the Pennsylvania debacle was a 2019 law passed by the republican house and senate. We could talk about the pandemic response and a million American's lost and the debacle of it all/morality or lack thereof.
Better yet, i will let Liz Chaney say it way better than me at her debate from the other night:" I will never put party above my duty to the country. I will never put party above my duty to the Constitution. I swore an oath under God and I will abide by that oath. I won’t say something that I know is wrong simply to earn the votes of people to earn political support."
Kudos Liz and a Happy 4th to one and all.
The change to the voting rules was not in conformance with the law passed by the PA legislature.
Almost everyone who is susceptible to Covid got it and they continue to be reinfected. The death toll has dropped only because of available vaccines and improved treatment and the fact that the variants, so far, generally cause less severe illness.
I didn't really want to have the debate about Pennsylvania, though i will mention Justice Alito refused to deal with the matter. My real point in the post were Liz Chaney's comments, i noticed you didn't touch them with the proverbial ten foot pole. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Justice Alito pretty much said that Pennsylvania did it to themselves and that elections are state matters. I agree. That should be the case in all matters not clearly covered by the US Constitution. My gripe was directed at the PA executive and judicial branches and intended to be analogous to your gripe about Wisconsin.
My only gripe with Liz is that she should work with the GOP to better state her case without making it a blanket condemnation of half the Republican office holders, candidates and voters. If the party isn't what she wants it to be, she will never change it by bad-mouthing so many of its constituents.