If you want to get vaccinated, walk into any drug store or supermarket and get your jab. I encourage you. If you don’t, prepare to be the scapegoat those who do judge are looking for.
"Statistically speaking, unless one of the new variants becomes more deadly than the ones circulating out there, young healthy people aren’t taking enormous risks given their propensity to do things like drive after drinking, or engage in other risky behavior. But the measure of 'beating COVID-19' has long ceased from keeping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, to ensuring nobody will ever get sick from COVID-19, even those with the most infinitesimal risk."
This formulation completely ignores the issue of mutation. Some people like myself who want more people to get the shot are more worried about minimizing the pool of susceptible victims where the virus can multiply and mutate than the health of someone who is hesitant or resistant to the vaccine. Personally, I like the latitude that my vaccination has opened up to pursue activities in 2021, and I'll be more annoyed if a mutation emerges that could have been preventable.
That said, given how poorly more populated countries like India are faring, me worrying about some anti-vaxxer in Tennessee becoming Patient Zero for a variant that gets around my immunity, given the hundreds of millions in India who would gladly take the shot but are unable to, might be me worried more about a lightning strike than a more routine way of meeting my end.
Given that the consensus is that everyone who wants to get vaxxed has likely done so, perhaps it's time to lift whatever emergency waivers have been put into place to make the vaccine affordable/free, lift any restrictions on insurance companies charging more to unvaxxed customers, allowing airlines to refuse service to unvaxxed flyers (without a valid medical reason), etc. so that the costs of choosing to remain unvaccinated can be properly assessed and the rest of us can get on with our lives without worrying about paying for the economic externalities imposed by people who refuse to do the common-sense thing. We save a stockpile for children and teens to be able to get their shots, and send what we have left to places that need it, at least to have some diplomatic victories to show that not all Americans are idiots and are willing to help the world get back on its feet, despite the fools in places like the Tennessee legislature that think they can roll back the clock on sane public health.[1]
But making the economic consequences of being unvaccinated actually happen (though they are very real) to individuals is very bas politics. It’s bad for both Republicans and Democrats, hence the phony war and casting call for scapegoats.
Unfortunately, you're probably right. If anyone was serious about rolling this out, there would have to be a large public awareness campaign that stated everything that was going away on the Xth day of Y month. Give folks 90 days to do the right thing, and after 90 days, costs go back to normal. Folks get the carrot for the next 90 days - after that, the stick comes out.
I can see Democrats pulling this off by robbing the GOP of their "personal responsibility" schtick, and I'm not sure if there'd be any appreciable number of votes switching to the other party under this. So, maybe it's better politics than it appears on the surface.
Hell - hire Stacey Abrams to get out and get minority voters out to vaccination sites under the idea while her opponents are committing COVID-suicide, she'll seize the opportunity to get more of her folks healthy so they'll be around for the next election.
That should light a fire under the GOP to quit messing around.
The potential for mutations are what worries me. That these mutations could form and spread in a rapid enough manner to potentially strain our efforts to constantly develop booster shots that have the level of efficacy to stave them off. For those of us who will be doing a lot of air travel both domestically and internationally for work, I am concerned that emerging and spreading new COVID-19 mutations may result in countries changing their border policies on such short notice. That would result in a much more fickle and less predictable travel environment. The cumulative effects would have a deleterious effect on our economy.
"lift any restrictions on insurance companies charging more to unvaxxed customers"
Obamacare requires those with pre-existing conditions be insured at the going rate. I would expect this to apply to idiocy as well as lung cancer and MS.
There are exceptions to the pre-existing conditions portions of the law that exempt things like smokers from freeloading:
"The health insurance plans offered on the exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act (ACA) cover smoking cessation treatment with no cost sharing. As a further 'nudge' to quit smoking, the insurance plans charge tobacco users up to 50% more in premiums than non-users. For purposes of the surcharge, a Department of Health and Human Services regulation defines tobacco use as self-reported consumption of 'any tobacco product, including cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, and pipe tobacco, four or more times a week within the past six months.'"[1]
If you classified vaccination refusal under the same umbrella as smoking (I'm not sure if this has to be an amendment to the law, or if an agency is empowered to make those decisions), then that should be sufficient to enable the insurance company surcharges. That said, I'd expect a cottage industry of "doctors" to pop up that would provide medical justifications for the refusal, much in the same way that medicinal marijuana bootstrapped a cottage industry of "doctors" signing off on everyone's ailments to make them eligible for weed.[2] However, if we have to make folks jump through more hoops or pay more for being part of the problem on this front, then I'm not opposed.
Which block, smoker or non-smoker, is more advantageous to check in the calculator that determines eligibility for cost sharing? Which was most advantageous when the penalty, excuse me, I mean tax, was in effect for uninsured?
My understanding is that the smoker pays for the premium themselves, and there's not a subsidy for that. It caused issues because lower-income smokers would see a good portion of their health bill covered by the subsidy, but the smoking surcharge was high enough to motivate them to opt out of coverage altogether.
"If you want to get vaccinated, walk into any drug store or supermarket and get your jab. I encourage you to do it, because it’s far less risky than getting COVID-19, of any variant. If you don’t, I won’t judge, but you’ll be called stupid by those who do. They have a casting call for scapegoats and you are perfect for the role."
I think that after a certain point of reaching out in good faith, the vax-skeptic folks are going reap what they sow. Whether it is higher health insurance premiums, or businesses refusing to let the purposely unvaxxed shop there, airlines refusing to board them, or just being shunned by others, they will be held accountable in some form, shape, or way. It doesn't have to be this way, but the ball is on their court now.
Way cool, growing up in Minnesota, i loved watching Fran scramble; but loved even more watching Joe Kapp put his head down and bowl over people. Thanks for those memories Steve; then it it mostly went south from there.
Let's start with the mixed messaging. I would guess i am an average reader/watcher of the news. Yup, those rotten biased guys you all love to hate. That said, there were issues that evolved as they got their head around Covid19, but that's to be expected. I watched the evolution and two things stood out; take the recommended precautions and if and when the vaccine became available, get it.
Sorry, that's it. Hardly anything sinister there. In fact, if there was any real mixed messaging it came during the trump era where every day of his daily briefing/updates he simply proved how little he knew. Then it got worse because he turned to Scott Atlas who told us we should just die in droves and eventually those left would be just fine. Now that's dumb.
This perpetual war of blame has been trump's lone ace in the hole. I find it truly laughable to try and target the media and Biden for trying to convince people vaccinations work. Are you kidding me? Hopefully you aren't suggesting vaccinations don't work Steve because if you are, that would be dumb.
Here's an interesting cut from an ABC affiliate: "A stark case in point: During June, every person who died of COVID-19 in Maryland was unvaccinated, according to a spokesperson for the governor's office. There were 130 people who died of COVID-19 in Maryland in June, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
You know how many like stories there are about this? Hundreds if not thousands, they appear every day. It's the reality of where we are and yet people want to believe the moron anti-vaxer's citing their stupid claims with no foundation or basis, but hell they get clicks and clicks get them followers and paid more. Now, that's dumb.
And to be clear, a boatload of people voted for trump. They did. But a bigger boatload voted for Biden. They did, that's just the facts. Shouldn't be disputable by now, but we see and read it every day from those wanting to keep the donations flowing in and be in trumps good graces. Now, that's dumb.
Finally, i'll throw you a bone. The democrats from Texas who piled into a private plane (nope wasn't a commercial flight as some reported), to escape a vote and didn't wear masks, and now have Covid...now that was really, really dumb.
See brother, dumb actions or beliefs are certainly not just performed by those on the right. Any of us are able to do dumb things. When they/we do, they should be called out for them.
I don’t have time for a long reply so I’ll stick to one point. We all do dumb things: true. When people make poor choices and believe things against their own interest, and it also affects everyone else, calling them out for it isn’t really what we need. Either we lock people up (which isn’t going to work) or we persuade. But what we are seeing is a political phony war making them scapegoats. Convincing requires some respect. Even if that hurts pride.
Fair comment so let's separate the wheat from the chaff. There are people on the right, on the left and in the center who have not been vaccinated. Some for solid reasons or fear; many infected by the infuencer's of our time. Most of the attack's i see in print or on the news aren't towards either group, but more directed at those standing at podiums or printing article after article spreading the falsehoods. They should be called out every day. They are fair game as most of it is monetary driven.
With that aside, there has been a fair amount of criticism for the door to door efforts that will be coming. Why? They aren't going to force people to get vaccinated, they are there to help people over their fears. How is that wrong if the end game is herd immunity through education regarding vaccination, not badgering and calling people names? Brown shirts indeed.
I think it might have been Chris who said it in a response; allow insurance companies to charge higher premiums for those unwilling to be vaccinated. You want to get really crazy, tell hospitals they can refuse to put their employees at risk by turning away those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. We know those who get covid19 or the delta variant and have been vaccinated are less likely to cause serious spread and we know those who haven't put others at higher risk.
Of course they can't, Hippocratic oath and all. The point is simply this: Vaccinations save lives. People have the right to not get vaccinated. If they make that choice, there should be consequences. Sadly those consequences fall unto others.
"If the government’s messaging—going back to the Trump administration, and forward to now with President Biden—had been more consistent and, well, honest, I believe more people would choose to get vaccinated. Erick Erickson took us through a litany of blunders and flip-flops by our government and the media dealing with COVID-19, masks, and vaccines."
I think that is a fair point. While I don't excuse the actions of those spreading anti-vax rhetoric, I think the not so stellar messaging on the part of the government didn't help either.
"Meanwhile, worldwide, the U.S. isn’t doing so badly compared to, say, France, where the extremists of the far-left and the far-right joined by the hundreds of thousands Saturday to march against the French government’s vaccination policy. Worldwide, vaccines have not been shared with nations that need it most, by nations who have stockpiled far more than they need. The U.S. has enough doses to jab everyone nearly five times; the U.K. over eight; the rest of the E.U. has enough for nearly seven jabs; and Canada takes the cake at 10.5 future doses per inhabitant.
Either these nations think they’re going to need a lot of boosters, or they’ve got an embarrassment of excess. That doesn’t help Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia (the 5th, 8th, and 4th most populated nations on earth, totaling 659 million souls), not to mention India’s 1.3 billion, in a nation that’s procured about a billion future doses. Collectively, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia have 1.4 billion doses for 1.6 billion people. Twenty percent of the world don’t have enough vaccine for a single dose, nevermind the second dose."
Given that in our age, we are economically and socially interconnected globally, the goal of achieving some sort of herd immunity also depends on the the people living in highly populated countries do matter. It's amazes me how densely populated some of these countries are. For example, Bangladesh is roughly(give or take) the geographical size of the US state of Georgia. But it has approx 160 million people, compared to Georgia's 10.7 million. For all the inconveniences we had with social distancing, I can only imagine how much more challenging it was in these densely populated countries. It is in our interests to make sure the people in these countries get vaccinated.
"A good part of the reason is the smug way the media and Biden bubble call Trump voters stupid, over and over again.
Granted, if you believe this poll, there’s a lot of really impossible ideas floating around that unvaccinated Republicans take as true. Hitting people over the head and calling them stupid isn’t the way to solve the problem."
I have to admit that I'm guilty of having done that as well for the past few years, for many other issues besides Covid. Some people really could've chosen to be better informed and not allow themselves to be set up to being misled by anti-vaxxers. Due diligence is necessary to educating oneself on Covid-19 itself as well as the vaccines. Some of the falsehoods spread by the anti-vaxxers are so laughably easy to disprove, that sometimes it is hard not to referring to some of them as stupid. That being said, I think the acrimonious and hyper-partisan social environment we are in, has led to a lot of name calling and just straight out mean spiritedness from across the political spectrum. It's been going on for years, and has gradually escalated to the political environment we are in now. The natural reaction is to develop a defense mechanism when someone you disagree with politically makes a bad faith assumption about your views, and vice versa. And I think that at this point, such name calling only results in many MAGA Vax skeptics to dig in their heels even further. Through my own interactions over the past few years with these people, I can attest to that being counterproductive. It is important that we maintain a bridge of communication with these folks, and for them to know that we are approaching them out of a good faith concern for them. And while there are a few people that are beyond any hope of reaching out to them, I still think there are many people are open minded to where they will listen. But we have to approach them in the right manner.
"Statistically speaking, unless one of the new variants becomes more deadly than the ones circulating out there, young healthy people aren’t taking enormous risks given their propensity to do things like drive after drinking, or engage in other risky behavior. But the measure of 'beating COVID-19' has long ceased from keeping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, to ensuring nobody will ever get sick from COVID-19, even those with the most infinitesimal risk."
This formulation completely ignores the issue of mutation. Some people like myself who want more people to get the shot are more worried about minimizing the pool of susceptible victims where the virus can multiply and mutate than the health of someone who is hesitant or resistant to the vaccine. Personally, I like the latitude that my vaccination has opened up to pursue activities in 2021, and I'll be more annoyed if a mutation emerges that could have been preventable.
That said, given how poorly more populated countries like India are faring, me worrying about some anti-vaxxer in Tennessee becoming Patient Zero for a variant that gets around my immunity, given the hundreds of millions in India who would gladly take the shot but are unable to, might be me worried more about a lightning strike than a more routine way of meeting my end.
Given that the consensus is that everyone who wants to get vaxxed has likely done so, perhaps it's time to lift whatever emergency waivers have been put into place to make the vaccine affordable/free, lift any restrictions on insurance companies charging more to unvaxxed customers, allowing airlines to refuse service to unvaxxed flyers (without a valid medical reason), etc. so that the costs of choosing to remain unvaccinated can be properly assessed and the rest of us can get on with our lives without worrying about paying for the economic externalities imposed by people who refuse to do the common-sense thing. We save a stockpile for children and teens to be able to get their shots, and send what we have left to places that need it, at least to have some diplomatic victories to show that not all Americans are idiots and are willing to help the world get back on its feet, despite the fools in places like the Tennessee legislature that think they can roll back the clock on sane public health.[1]
[1] https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/07/13/tennessee-halts-all-vaccine-outreach-minors-not-just-covid-19/7928701002/
But making the economic consequences of being unvaccinated actually happen (though they are very real) to individuals is very bas politics. It’s bad for both Republicans and Democrats, hence the phony war and casting call for scapegoats.
Unfortunately, you're probably right. If anyone was serious about rolling this out, there would have to be a large public awareness campaign that stated everything that was going away on the Xth day of Y month. Give folks 90 days to do the right thing, and after 90 days, costs go back to normal. Folks get the carrot for the next 90 days - after that, the stick comes out.
I can see Democrats pulling this off by robbing the GOP of their "personal responsibility" schtick, and I'm not sure if there'd be any appreciable number of votes switching to the other party under this. So, maybe it's better politics than it appears on the surface.
Hell - hire Stacey Abrams to get out and get minority voters out to vaccination sites under the idea while her opponents are committing COVID-suicide, she'll seize the opportunity to get more of her folks healthy so they'll be around for the next election.
That should light a fire under the GOP to quit messing around.
The potential for mutations are what worries me. That these mutations could form and spread in a rapid enough manner to potentially strain our efforts to constantly develop booster shots that have the level of efficacy to stave them off. For those of us who will be doing a lot of air travel both domestically and internationally for work, I am concerned that emerging and spreading new COVID-19 mutations may result in countries changing their border policies on such short notice. That would result in a much more fickle and less predictable travel environment. The cumulative effects would have a deleterious effect on our economy.
That's entirely possible but I have seen MDs on TV saying mutations tend to be milder.
That makes sense, as successful viruses are ones that can spread. Killing hosts puts a damper on that.
High IQ virus?
"lift any restrictions on insurance companies charging more to unvaxxed customers"
Obamacare requires those with pre-existing conditions be insured at the going rate. I would expect this to apply to idiocy as well as lung cancer and MS.
There are exceptions to the pre-existing conditions portions of the law that exempt things like smokers from freeloading:
"The health insurance plans offered on the exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act (ACA) cover smoking cessation treatment with no cost sharing. As a further 'nudge' to quit smoking, the insurance plans charge tobacco users up to 50% more in premiums than non-users. For purposes of the surcharge, a Department of Health and Human Services regulation defines tobacco use as self-reported consumption of 'any tobacco product, including cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, and pipe tobacco, four or more times a week within the past six months.'"[1]
If you classified vaccination refusal under the same umbrella as smoking (I'm not sure if this has to be an amendment to the law, or if an agency is empowered to make those decisions), then that should be sufficient to enable the insurance company surcharges. That said, I'd expect a cottage industry of "doctors" to pop up that would provide medical justifications for the refusal, much in the same way that medicinal marijuana bootstrapped a cottage industry of "doctors" signing off on everyone's ailments to make them eligible for weed.[2] However, if we have to make folks jump through more hoops or pay more for being part of the problem on this front, then I'm not opposed.
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallysatel/2016/08/09/obamacare-is-hazardous-to-smokers-health/
[2] https://docsofcannabis.com/blog/everything-to-know-about-getting-a-medical-marijuana-card-online
Which block, smoker or non-smoker, is more advantageous to check in the calculator that determines eligibility for cost sharing? Which was most advantageous when the penalty, excuse me, I mean tax, was in effect for uninsured?
My understanding is that the smoker pays for the premium themselves, and there's not a subsidy for that. It caused issues because lower-income smokers would see a good portion of their health bill covered by the subsidy, but the smoking surcharge was high enough to motivate them to opt out of coverage altogether.
"If you want to get vaccinated, walk into any drug store or supermarket and get your jab. I encourage you to do it, because it’s far less risky than getting COVID-19, of any variant. If you don’t, I won’t judge, but you’ll be called stupid by those who do. They have a casting call for scapegoats and you are perfect for the role."
I think that after a certain point of reaching out in good faith, the vax-skeptic folks are going reap what they sow. Whether it is higher health insurance premiums, or businesses refusing to let the purposely unvaxxed shop there, airlines refusing to board them, or just being shunned by others, they will be held accountable in some form, shape, or way. It doesn't have to be this way, but the ball is on their court now.
Way cool, growing up in Minnesota, i loved watching Fran scramble; but loved even more watching Joe Kapp put his head down and bowl over people. Thanks for those memories Steve; then it it mostly went south from there.
Let's start with the mixed messaging. I would guess i am an average reader/watcher of the news. Yup, those rotten biased guys you all love to hate. That said, there were issues that evolved as they got their head around Covid19, but that's to be expected. I watched the evolution and two things stood out; take the recommended precautions and if and when the vaccine became available, get it.
Sorry, that's it. Hardly anything sinister there. In fact, if there was any real mixed messaging it came during the trump era where every day of his daily briefing/updates he simply proved how little he knew. Then it got worse because he turned to Scott Atlas who told us we should just die in droves and eventually those left would be just fine. Now that's dumb.
This perpetual war of blame has been trump's lone ace in the hole. I find it truly laughable to try and target the media and Biden for trying to convince people vaccinations work. Are you kidding me? Hopefully you aren't suggesting vaccinations don't work Steve because if you are, that would be dumb.
Here's an interesting cut from an ABC affiliate: "A stark case in point: During June, every person who died of COVID-19 in Maryland was unvaccinated, according to a spokesperson for the governor's office. There were 130 people who died of COVID-19 in Maryland in June, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
You know how many like stories there are about this? Hundreds if not thousands, they appear every day. It's the reality of where we are and yet people want to believe the moron anti-vaxer's citing their stupid claims with no foundation or basis, but hell they get clicks and clicks get them followers and paid more. Now, that's dumb.
And to be clear, a boatload of people voted for trump. They did. But a bigger boatload voted for Biden. They did, that's just the facts. Shouldn't be disputable by now, but we see and read it every day from those wanting to keep the donations flowing in and be in trumps good graces. Now, that's dumb.
Finally, i'll throw you a bone. The democrats from Texas who piled into a private plane (nope wasn't a commercial flight as some reported), to escape a vote and didn't wear masks, and now have Covid...now that was really, really dumb.
See brother, dumb actions or beliefs are certainly not just performed by those on the right. Any of us are able to do dumb things. When they/we do, they should be called out for them.
I don’t have time for a long reply so I’ll stick to one point. We all do dumb things: true. When people make poor choices and believe things against their own interest, and it also affects everyone else, calling them out for it isn’t really what we need. Either we lock people up (which isn’t going to work) or we persuade. But what we are seeing is a political phony war making them scapegoats. Convincing requires some respect. Even if that hurts pride.
There's always incentives to use, as in: "You have the right to not get the vaccine, and we have the right to exclude you from public services."
For private companies, something like this is doable as well: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cruise-ships-found-way-around-125700975.html
Fair comment so let's separate the wheat from the chaff. There are people on the right, on the left and in the center who have not been vaccinated. Some for solid reasons or fear; many infected by the infuencer's of our time. Most of the attack's i see in print or on the news aren't towards either group, but more directed at those standing at podiums or printing article after article spreading the falsehoods. They should be called out every day. They are fair game as most of it is monetary driven.
With that aside, there has been a fair amount of criticism for the door to door efforts that will be coming. Why? They aren't going to force people to get vaccinated, they are there to help people over their fears. How is that wrong if the end game is herd immunity through education regarding vaccination, not badgering and calling people names? Brown shirts indeed.
I think it might have been Chris who said it in a response; allow insurance companies to charge higher premiums for those unwilling to be vaccinated. You want to get really crazy, tell hospitals they can refuse to put their employees at risk by turning away those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. We know those who get covid19 or the delta variant and have been vaccinated are less likely to cause serious spread and we know those who haven't put others at higher risk.
Of course they can't, Hippocratic oath and all. The point is simply this: Vaccinations save lives. People have the right to not get vaccinated. If they make that choice, there should be consequences. Sadly those consequences fall unto others.
"If the government’s messaging—going back to the Trump administration, and forward to now with President Biden—had been more consistent and, well, honest, I believe more people would choose to get vaccinated. Erick Erickson took us through a litany of blunders and flip-flops by our government and the media dealing with COVID-19, masks, and vaccines."
I think that is a fair point. While I don't excuse the actions of those spreading anti-vax rhetoric, I think the not so stellar messaging on the part of the government didn't help either.
"Meanwhile, worldwide, the U.S. isn’t doing so badly compared to, say, France, where the extremists of the far-left and the far-right joined by the hundreds of thousands Saturday to march against the French government’s vaccination policy. Worldwide, vaccines have not been shared with nations that need it most, by nations who have stockpiled far more than they need. The U.S. has enough doses to jab everyone nearly five times; the U.K. over eight; the rest of the E.U. has enough for nearly seven jabs; and Canada takes the cake at 10.5 future doses per inhabitant.
Either these nations think they’re going to need a lot of boosters, or they’ve got an embarrassment of excess. That doesn’t help Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia (the 5th, 8th, and 4th most populated nations on earth, totaling 659 million souls), not to mention India’s 1.3 billion, in a nation that’s procured about a billion future doses. Collectively, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia have 1.4 billion doses for 1.6 billion people. Twenty percent of the world don’t have enough vaccine for a single dose, nevermind the second dose."
Given that in our age, we are economically and socially interconnected globally, the goal of achieving some sort of herd immunity also depends on the the people living in highly populated countries do matter. It's amazes me how densely populated some of these countries are. For example, Bangladesh is roughly(give or take) the geographical size of the US state of Georgia. But it has approx 160 million people, compared to Georgia's 10.7 million. For all the inconveniences we had with social distancing, I can only imagine how much more challenging it was in these densely populated countries. It is in our interests to make sure the people in these countries get vaccinated.
"A good part of the reason is the smug way the media and Biden bubble call Trump voters stupid, over and over again.
Granted, if you believe this poll, there’s a lot of really impossible ideas floating around that unvaccinated Republicans take as true. Hitting people over the head and calling them stupid isn’t the way to solve the problem."
I have to admit that I'm guilty of having done that as well for the past few years, for many other issues besides Covid. Some people really could've chosen to be better informed and not allow themselves to be set up to being misled by anti-vaxxers. Due diligence is necessary to educating oneself on Covid-19 itself as well as the vaccines. Some of the falsehoods spread by the anti-vaxxers are so laughably easy to disprove, that sometimes it is hard not to referring to some of them as stupid. That being said, I think the acrimonious and hyper-partisan social environment we are in, has led to a lot of name calling and just straight out mean spiritedness from across the political spectrum. It's been going on for years, and has gradually escalated to the political environment we are in now. The natural reaction is to develop a defense mechanism when someone you disagree with politically makes a bad faith assumption about your views, and vice versa. And I think that at this point, such name calling only results in many MAGA Vax skeptics to dig in their heels even further. Through my own interactions over the past few years with these people, I can attest to that being counterproductive. It is important that we maintain a bridge of communication with these folks, and for them to know that we are approaching them out of a good faith concern for them. And while there are a few people that are beyond any hope of reaching out to them, I still think there are many people are open minded to where they will listen. But we have to approach them in the right manner.