Nobody likes Joe Biden’s performance as president. Fewer people like Donald Trump running for office again. Neither of them has announced they are heading for the exit.
Y’all say what you want but the results are facts.
1) The Committee has no prosecutorial power. It’s proceedings are not criminal. They are convincing some who were borderline but not really breaking Trump’s hold on the GOP unless/until someone rises up to take it from him.
2) The GOP’s paralysis over Trump endorsements and condemnation has caused brain drain and stymied it from taking care of actual govt business.
3) Biden’s approval rating speaks for itself. He needs to step back and declare himself a lame duck.
4) The best path for dealing with Trump is still the Fulton DA case which is not being broadcast live as Grand Jury proceedings are secret.
5) As a nation we have to move on. Though the hearings make a good historical record for people to study later, I am not sure of their practical purpose right now, since Trump is no longer president and any punishment for his misdeeds needs to happen through the legal system not Congress.
It is the responsibility of Congress to conduct hearings concerning what occurred on 1/6. It is necessary. It may have the feel of a show, but persons interviewed are under oath. I am all in favor of any trial that grows from the previous election, Fulton DA included. The court cases are in addition to Congressional inquiries. Both needed.
"Meanwhile, the January 6th commission is in full swing with its political show trial, which isn’t a trial at all, since if they had the evidence they keep foreshadowing, Merrick Garland would be speaking on camera about subpoenas, indictments, and actual trials. But they’ve got a really good circumstantial case than Trump is exactly who everyone who knew Trump said he was for decades: A pouty-faced plotter with the comprehension of a pre-schooler when his ill-conceived plans fail to bloom."
I'm a bit confused why you're so down on the Jan. 6th Commission given that you trace our problems to being stuck in an orbit around Trump. The Jan. 6th Commission is doing more to deflate the bubble around The Former Guy and His Hanger-Ons than anything since the Insurrection itself. Given that we're almost at the halfway point of the Biden tenure (I don't foresee him being a viable candidate in 2024) AND Trump controls more of the Republican Party than he did when he won in 2016, the 1/6 folks breaking through to the public's attention is a Good Thing.
Both you and I have to recognize that we're not the audience for the Jan. 6th Commission. We've been following along all along, so you and I are not hearing a lot new out of them. HOWEVER, for the folks for whom politics is not an obsession, last night's presentation was a clear and unambiguous message that Trump has never been fit for office, and nothing will improve that deficit before we're casting ballots for our next President.
To the extent that Trump can be deflated into irrelevance quickly enough that other GOP candidates have nothing to fear from running as well, this lessens the pressure on Biden to go for a second term solely on the strength of him beating Trump before, and being called to beat Trump again.
You are clearly a far more gentle soul than I Chris. After watching last nights hearing, i was curious how Steve would respond. He didn't disappoint. Wanting, needing to be critical of Biden i expected, just not on the morning following an evening as explosive as last night. I know, he added Trump in the story and how bad he is/was and even less popular or whatever.
Insulting the work done by the Jan 6 commission has become a big part of his shtick. I find it ludicrous to minimize their efforts and the work they have done. I quit paying any attention to hearings like this years ago. The pontificating before every question asked drove me nuts. The "politics" of them made it unwatchable TV for me.
Sorry Steve, but this has been a beast of a different color and stripe. This has been one where the testimony took center stage. And as noted by so many last night and this morning, virtually all of it came from those who loved and supported "their" president. Was there some "cheap shots?" Yup, well deserved and so on freaking point: Here's looking at you Josh.
Liz Cheney has been amazing. Solid, stellar and direct. I was no fan of Dick and far from one cheering her on before the commission's work. Politics aside, she has been brilliant. Her and Adam will be vilified by the current crop of stooges who have propped trump up, but when the history books are written, they'll be the heroes of the narrative.
All most of us have in life is how we are measured by those around us. Politics is an ugly game and often forces choices. When one chooses to embrace evil, their story becomes what? Evil as well. After watching last night, anyone not seeing trump as evil and vile simply wasn't watching.
"Liz Cheney has been amazing. Solid, stellar and direct. I was no fan of Dick and far from one cheering her on before the commission's work. Politics aside, she has been brilliant. Her and Adam will be vilified by the current crop of stooges who have propped trump up, but when the history books are written, they'll be the heroes of the narrative."
I don't know if this is in their plans, but should Cheney and Kinzinger announce a joint run for POTUS for 2024, I'll write a check the day of their announcement. I wasn't a big fan of Liz prior to her defenestration by the national party, but she does seem to be an example of the office elevating the character of its occupant (who takes that office seriously) and she did what was right for the country when it counted (and on a more minor note, patched up things with her sister[1]). That's leagues more than we can say about other GOP office-holders - especially "Fight? Nah - Flight!" Josh Hawley, who just seems to get worse the longer he's in elected office.
(And seeing Kinzinger in the role of VP attack dog would be incredible to witness.)
Y’all say what you want but the results are facts.
1) The Committee has no prosecutorial power. It’s proceedings are not criminal. They are convincing some who were borderline but not really breaking Trump’s hold on the GOP unless/until someone rises up to take it from him.
2) The GOP’s paralysis over Trump endorsements and condemnation has caused brain drain and stymied it from taking care of actual govt business.
3) Biden’s approval rating speaks for itself. He needs to step back and declare himself a lame duck.
4) The best path for dealing with Trump is still the Fulton DA case which is not being broadcast live as Grand Jury proceedings are secret.
5) As a nation we have to move on. Though the hearings make a good historical record for people to study later, I am not sure of their practical purpose right now, since Trump is no longer president and any punishment for his misdeeds needs to happen through the legal system not Congress.
It is the responsibility of Congress to conduct hearings concerning what occurred on 1/6. It is necessary. It may have the feel of a show, but persons interviewed are under oath. I am all in favor of any trial that grows from the previous election, Fulton DA included. The court cases are in addition to Congressional inquiries. Both needed.
Thanks Jay, well said.
"Meanwhile, the January 6th commission is in full swing with its political show trial, which isn’t a trial at all, since if they had the evidence they keep foreshadowing, Merrick Garland would be speaking on camera about subpoenas, indictments, and actual trials. But they’ve got a really good circumstantial case than Trump is exactly who everyone who knew Trump said he was for decades: A pouty-faced plotter with the comprehension of a pre-schooler when his ill-conceived plans fail to bloom."
I'm a bit confused why you're so down on the Jan. 6th Commission given that you trace our problems to being stuck in an orbit around Trump. The Jan. 6th Commission is doing more to deflate the bubble around The Former Guy and His Hanger-Ons than anything since the Insurrection itself. Given that we're almost at the halfway point of the Biden tenure (I don't foresee him being a viable candidate in 2024) AND Trump controls more of the Republican Party than he did when he won in 2016, the 1/6 folks breaking through to the public's attention is a Good Thing.
Both you and I have to recognize that we're not the audience for the Jan. 6th Commission. We've been following along all along, so you and I are not hearing a lot new out of them. HOWEVER, for the folks for whom politics is not an obsession, last night's presentation was a clear and unambiguous message that Trump has never been fit for office, and nothing will improve that deficit before we're casting ballots for our next President.
To the extent that Trump can be deflated into irrelevance quickly enough that other GOP candidates have nothing to fear from running as well, this lessens the pressure on Biden to go for a second term solely on the strength of him beating Trump before, and being called to beat Trump again.
You are clearly a far more gentle soul than I Chris. After watching last nights hearing, i was curious how Steve would respond. He didn't disappoint. Wanting, needing to be critical of Biden i expected, just not on the morning following an evening as explosive as last night. I know, he added Trump in the story and how bad he is/was and even less popular or whatever.
Insulting the work done by the Jan 6 commission has become a big part of his shtick. I find it ludicrous to minimize their efforts and the work they have done. I quit paying any attention to hearings like this years ago. The pontificating before every question asked drove me nuts. The "politics" of them made it unwatchable TV for me.
Sorry Steve, but this has been a beast of a different color and stripe. This has been one where the testimony took center stage. And as noted by so many last night and this morning, virtually all of it came from those who loved and supported "their" president. Was there some "cheap shots?" Yup, well deserved and so on freaking point: Here's looking at you Josh.
Liz Cheney has been amazing. Solid, stellar and direct. I was no fan of Dick and far from one cheering her on before the commission's work. Politics aside, she has been brilliant. Her and Adam will be vilified by the current crop of stooges who have propped trump up, but when the history books are written, they'll be the heroes of the narrative.
All most of us have in life is how we are measured by those around us. Politics is an ugly game and often forces choices. When one chooses to embrace evil, their story becomes what? Evil as well. After watching last night, anyone not seeing trump as evil and vile simply wasn't watching.
"Liz Cheney has been amazing. Solid, stellar and direct. I was no fan of Dick and far from one cheering her on before the commission's work. Politics aside, she has been brilliant. Her and Adam will be vilified by the current crop of stooges who have propped trump up, but when the history books are written, they'll be the heroes of the narrative."
I don't know if this is in their plans, but should Cheney and Kinzinger announce a joint run for POTUS for 2024, I'll write a check the day of their announcement. I wasn't a big fan of Liz prior to her defenestration by the national party, but she does seem to be an example of the office elevating the character of its occupant (who takes that office seriously) and she did what was right for the country when it counted (and on a more minor note, patched up things with her sister[1]). That's leagues more than we can say about other GOP office-holders - especially "Fight? Nah - Flight!" Josh Hawley, who just seems to get worse the longer he's in elected office.
(And seeing Kinzinger in the role of VP attack dog would be incredible to witness.)
[1] https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040856038/liz-cheney-says-she-was-wrong-in-opposing-same-sex-marriage