"No. It’s more likely Trump would have assigned U.S. troops to give aid to Russia, rather than Ukraine. Afterall, Trump was impeached for attempting to strongarm Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He withheld around $400 million in military aid, after asking President Zelenskyy to publicly announce an investigation into his political rival, Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter Biden."
I'm not the worlds biggest Trump fan, but I don't think he would have sent US troops to aid Russia. Instead, he would have sabotaged NATO and Europe's response behind the scenes and prevented NATO and the EU from doing anything meaningful to dissuade Putin. He'd have prevented US intelligence from providing intelligence and aid to Ukraine to mitigate the Russians' elements of surprise, and it's likely Russia would have conducted a false flag operation to justify their invasion, muddying the waters significantly. He'd also sabotage the world from holding Putin accountable after the smoke clears for any war crimes, arguing from his position of Trumpian relativism that "who cares, everyone does it".
There's a multitude of ways that Trump would have made this worse, short of U.S. troops aiding Russia. We are lucky that he's interrupting weddings at Mar-a-Lago these days with "man yelling at clouds" rants than occupying a position to cause active chaos in Europe.
Phony impeachment cases, no evidence and no convictions. Trump could have made things worse if he were so inclined but Biden's not through yet. Right now, regarding Ukraine, Trump is guilty only of giving Putin credit for being savvy which might give Putin a talking point for propagandizing Russians citizens.
Never heard of Sparkle Motion until now. My granddaughter was in a dance troupe for ten years and that helped pay her way to two degrees from the University of Alabama plus an MBA.
Feb 27, 2022·edited Feb 27, 2022Liked by Susan Bagwell, Chris J. Karr
Excellent piece. You are spot on correct pointing out the racism, antisemitism, Kremlin apologia, having such a cancerous effect on the conservative movement. Not much nuance is needed for that, and your incisive moral clarity condemning the garbage on the right is an absolute tour de force. I hope to see more pieces from you here in the future. They add very nicely to the punditry of David, Steve, and Jay.
The thing I might add here is that while partisans for Trump and left of center Democrats have or may have their preferred narratives, is that Putin has been aspiring to and planning for imperialistic invasions for years now. Bush is famous for having misplaced trust in Putin initially, before later regretting his earlier stance. Obama had nuanced views on Putin, but ultimately underestimated him and his intentions. He was passive and weak, ultimately promising Russia that he’d have more flexibility during his 2nd term. He was wrong in not seeing Russia as a major geo-political foe as Romney did. And in 2014, such passiveness led to Putin annexing Crimea from Ukraine and enabling de facto puppet states in Donbas. Trump of course is well known for his performative and transactional behavior, which included him sucking up to dictators while imposing ham fisted tariffs on our allies. Repeatedly undermining NATO and morally fracturing the good will and unity in this alliance was consequential in a negative way. And autocratic dictators saw him as a useful idiot, including Putin, who saw what Trump was doing. Essentially, they played Trump like a fiddle. On one positive note is that the Nordstream 2 sanctions were enacted by his administration. Biden made a huge mistake lifting these sanctions sometime in 2021. And I think his administration was too passive in dealing the warning signs of Putin’s impending invasion of Ukraine. And these are just a small portion of the mistakes and wrongdoings made over that intervening period of time by US and NATO countries.
So I think this “Trump better!” or “Biden better!” partisan narratives misses the boat and doesn’t help the current predicament. The damage from numerous mistakes and omissive wrongdoings has already been done. The best thing is to do is learn from our mistakes, and pursue corrective policies as we move on and focus on the present and future as we ensure what Putin did will not happen again.
"A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way."
Well, at least it is not that clip that they have found where 45 is asking Putin for help finding the missing Hillary emails. Most of them quote that clip because of the 10's of thousands of witnesses that heard it.
And it's not the one where evidence was uncovered citing the Kremlin meeting on Trump, naming him the perfect candidate for the purpose of destabilizing the U.S., as well as NATO, based on their psychological profile [“impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”].
I do not believe a word of that. The only site where I ever found such outlandish claims was Firedoglake and they are out of business. I even checked ProPublica who would seize on any opportunity to smear Trump. No results. You must have connected to some ghost publication or have a secret intelligence source feeding you bull.
Let's be honest, If the kremlin had a meeting and the choice was Clinton or Trump, of course they would pick Trump. It would be fair to say that about every nation's capital across the Globe, wouldn't it? On one hand you have a business person driven by national interest and on the other an immoral liar that puts her self interest above all else.
"A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way."
Still ignorant. Putin was always going to invade. He likely didnt during Trump's single term because he was waiting for a second term. That made it more likely that Trump could be bent to join Russia, or at least not intervene. He wouldnt be under the pressure of running again.
Ignorant only in the sense that everyone but Vlad is ignorant of what Vlad will do. Given a large enough sample, there is always a good chance that the majority is wrong. The best we can hope for from the majority is "good enough" and we are lucky to get that.
Ah, but asking "Why?" would lead to a much more varied breakdown of answers, including both "Trump was strong!" and "Putin didn't need to 'cause Trump was doing his work for him".
You know, when I read the headline on my cell phone, I knew the post was not from David, Steve or Jay. They adopt a more civil tone and leave some room for discussion. My first guess was Susan. Her discussion usually consists of fact-free rants and name calling to intimidate anyone who dares disagree.
Never left RedState or the other eight sites I read regularly. I take my lumps from everyone. I once defended Susan on RedState thinking that disagreement was part of life and was rewarded similarly to what Republicans get when they try teamwork with democrats. Now I'm simply a critic. She has no more style or grasp of facts than I do.
Looking at your reading list I assume you are an Adam Schiff wannabe.
"No. It’s more likely Trump would have assigned U.S. troops to give aid to Russia, rather than Ukraine. Afterall, Trump was impeached for attempting to strongarm Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He withheld around $400 million in military aid, after asking President Zelenskyy to publicly announce an investigation into his political rival, Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter Biden."
I'm not the worlds biggest Trump fan, but I don't think he would have sent US troops to aid Russia. Instead, he would have sabotaged NATO and Europe's response behind the scenes and prevented NATO and the EU from doing anything meaningful to dissuade Putin. He'd have prevented US intelligence from providing intelligence and aid to Ukraine to mitigate the Russians' elements of surprise, and it's likely Russia would have conducted a false flag operation to justify their invasion, muddying the waters significantly. He'd also sabotage the world from holding Putin accountable after the smoke clears for any war crimes, arguing from his position of Trumpian relativism that "who cares, everyone does it".
There's a multitude of ways that Trump would have made this worse, short of U.S. troops aiding Russia. We are lucky that he's interrupting weddings at Mar-a-Lago these days with "man yelling at clouds" rants than occupying a position to cause active chaos in Europe.
Phony impeachment cases, no evidence and no convictions. Trump could have made things worse if he were so inclined but Biden's not through yet. Right now, regarding Ukraine, Trump is guilty only of giving Putin credit for being savvy which might give Putin a talking point for propagandizing Russians citizens.
No. Seriously. Is this a joke??
I've learned to never doubt Curtis' commitment to Sparkle Motion.
(And I mean that as a compliment, Curtis. You are a ROCK.)
Never heard of Sparkle Motion until now. My granddaughter was in a dance troupe for ten years and that helped pay her way to two degrees from the University of Alabama plus an MBA.
Good for her (and you for supporting her dancing)!
No. There are some that still delude themselves here.
Excellent piece. You are spot on correct pointing out the racism, antisemitism, Kremlin apologia, having such a cancerous effect on the conservative movement. Not much nuance is needed for that, and your incisive moral clarity condemning the garbage on the right is an absolute tour de force. I hope to see more pieces from you here in the future. They add very nicely to the punditry of David, Steve, and Jay.
The thing I might add here is that while partisans for Trump and left of center Democrats have or may have their preferred narratives, is that Putin has been aspiring to and planning for imperialistic invasions for years now. Bush is famous for having misplaced trust in Putin initially, before later regretting his earlier stance. Obama had nuanced views on Putin, but ultimately underestimated him and his intentions. He was passive and weak, ultimately promising Russia that he’d have more flexibility during his 2nd term. He was wrong in not seeing Russia as a major geo-political foe as Romney did. And in 2014, such passiveness led to Putin annexing Crimea from Ukraine and enabling de facto puppet states in Donbas. Trump of course is well known for his performative and transactional behavior, which included him sucking up to dictators while imposing ham fisted tariffs on our allies. Repeatedly undermining NATO and morally fracturing the good will and unity in this alliance was consequential in a negative way. And autocratic dictators saw him as a useful idiot, including Putin, who saw what Trump was doing. Essentially, they played Trump like a fiddle. On one positive note is that the Nordstream 2 sanctions were enacted by his administration. Biden made a huge mistake lifting these sanctions sometime in 2021. And I think his administration was too passive in dealing the warning signs of Putin’s impending invasion of Ukraine. And these are just a small portion of the mistakes and wrongdoings made over that intervening period of time by US and NATO countries.
So I think this “Trump better!” or “Biden better!” partisan narratives misses the boat and doesn’t help the current predicament. The damage from numerous mistakes and omissive wrongdoings has already been done. The best thing is to do is learn from our mistakes, and pursue corrective policies as we move on and focus on the present and future as we ensure what Putin did will not happen again.
The majority of Americans polled believe that Putin would not have invaded the Ukraine if 45 was still in charge in America. That is just so obvious.
[Citation Needed.]
Citation provided.
"A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way."
Thank you, sir.
It looks like the folks were polled on 2/23 and 2/24[1], AFTER Trump's praise for Putin (2/22), which is very interesting (to me at least).
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/26/poll-trump-russia-ukraine-white-house
That's ignorant, given what we know about the corrupt relationship between Trump and Putin.
Please enlighten on this corrupt relationship.
Is this a joke?
Sadly, no.
Susan still believes the Russian hoax perpetrated by Hillary and her corrupt campaign.
Given the news from today, nobody should use the term 'Russian hoax,' in regards to Trump, ever again.
What news would that be? No Trump/Russia headlines to be found. Sounds like more fact-free rhetoric.
Well, at least it is not that clip that they have found where 45 is asking Putin for help finding the missing Hillary emails. Most of them quote that clip because of the 10's of thousands of witnesses that heard it.
And it's not the one where evidence was uncovered citing the Kremlin meeting on Trump, naming him the perfect candidate for the purpose of destabilizing the U.S., as well as NATO, based on their psychological profile [“impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”].
I do not believe a word of that. The only site where I ever found such outlandish claims was Firedoglake and they are out of business. I even checked ProPublica who would seize on any opportunity to smear Trump. No results. You must have connected to some ghost publication or have a secret intelligence source feeding you bull.
Let's be honest, If the kremlin had a meeting and the choice was Clinton or Trump, of course they would pick Trump. It would be fair to say that about every nation's capital across the Globe, wouldn't it? On one hand you have a business person driven by national interest and on the other an immoral liar that puts her self interest above all else.
Maybe ignorant but true.
"A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way."
Still ignorant. Putin was always going to invade. He likely didnt during Trump's single term because he was waiting for a second term. That made it more likely that Trump could be bent to join Russia, or at least not intervene. He wouldnt be under the pressure of running again.
Ignorant only in the sense that everyone but Vlad is ignorant of what Vlad will do. Given a large enough sample, there is always a good chance that the majority is wrong. The best we can hope for from the majority is "good enough" and we are lucky to get that.
Ah, but asking "Why?" would lead to a much more varied breakdown of answers, including both "Trump was strong!" and "Putin didn't need to 'cause Trump was doing his work for him".
Nuanced questions aren't as fun though, are they?
You know, when I read the headline on my cell phone, I knew the post was not from David, Steve or Jay. They adopt a more civil tone and leave some room for discussion. My first guess was Susan. Her discussion usually consists of fact-free rants and name calling to intimidate anyone who dares disagree.
Feel free to go back to RedState if you don't like Susan's work.
Never left RedState or the other eight sites I read regularly. I take my lumps from everyone. I once defended Susan on RedState thinking that disagreement was part of life and was rewarded similarly to what Republicans get when they try teamwork with democrats. Now I'm simply a critic. She has no more style or grasp of facts than I do.
Looking at your reading list I assume you are an Adam Schiff wannabe.