This entire dissertation is a Democrat's wet dream. This commission would be nothing more than a continuation of the Democrat's reelection strategy. I love that list of alleged federal crimes. I thought back to the siege of the Portland Federal courthouse and wonder why we did not see these allegations. All of them apply to the Rioters in Portland that continued their riot for over 100 days.
What matters more: knowing the truth (regardless of outcome for the GOP), or countering the Democrats? If facing the reality of Jan 6 means the GOP splinters, then doesn't that just mean the GOP deserves its destruction due to its own behavior?
Also: rioters in Portland have been and are being charged, just typically with state-level charges and not Federal - 'cause most if not all of the issues are not related to Federal officials/property.
What is more important is the search for the truth but the truth is apparent and was apparent 1 week after the riot. Since then, everything with regards to the riot has been weaponized to the detriment of the country. The Rioters in Portland were, on a nightly basis, attacking a federal courthouse which is afforded the same protections as the capital.
But, since you want to talk about the last summer's riots: if you think those should be investigated and charges brought, then why would Jan 6 be any different? Why is Jan 6 less important than what happened in various localities, when Jan 6 involved the very seat of the US Government?
On the charges, the article indicated the seriousness of the charges against the rioters at the capital. I just pointed out that these same laws were being broken by the antifa idea guys in portland for 100 days. People that break laws should be prosecuted, even handedly. I do not question that. I still maintain that everything we need to know about Jan 6th is known. Congress members may very well have thought that a riot to let congress know that they were not doing the job they were supposed to be doing was understandable. I believe that also. That is not against the law.
In my humble opinion, that was only one of the things that they were doing that deserved interruption. There were many more. The riot was effective in reminding congress who they work for. They did not have it in their power to keep it stopped on January 6th but you would be mistaken to believe it was all about that.
Larry Sabato would have two never-Trumps appoint a commission? Right. I would support a commission appointed by John Kerry and Tom Pompeo - total opposites in politics and competence.
There is zero % chance of anyone who buys into the "big lie" would believe anything that comes from a bipartisan commission no matter who heads it up. This is all just fools gold to pretend there is any interest in getting to the bottom of what happened and why. The dems should appoint whomever is willing to serve and not worry if the bat-shit crazy ones will believe any of it.
The other day i was going to comment on your Flynn piece, but again, i know i am just wasting my time. The tragedy is people like Flynn and Powell and a host of others are smart enough to know it's all crap but smarter yet to realize (like trump) the suckers will just keep paying. It's all part of the con and grifters, once they set the hook, will keep reeling as long as the chumps keep paying to hear the tripe.
I smile because whenever i read Curtis i flash back to the one time trump actually told the truth:"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible." Funny isn't it? Or, is it that pathetic?
I suppose it would depend on who he shot and why. The "big lie" is a democrat talking point but is true that many are convinced the election was stolen. As for me, I simply believe the investigation was lacking. Not that it matters now. The election is over.
Of course i was being snarky Curtis, i am tired of the nonsense and that reasonably smart people are buying the crap. In fact those were the exact words that that Powell's attorney used in court; here it is: “that reasonable people would not accept such statements." I guess if you want to believe the Dominion voting machines were taken over by the ghost of Hugo Chavez, knock yourself out. Even Sydney admits it was utter nonsense.
I posted trump's comment, less about the shooting and more to this point; the guy who has been a con man his entire life couldn't believe how foolish people are..."it's like incredible." Don't feel bad though, there's so many of you buying it you just keep validating one another.
To your credit, at least you know it's over. Powell on the stage the other day claimed he would be reinstated to The White House come August which got a thunderous applause and then trump restated it the other day and now millions believe it will happen. Then there's the other thing, both Powell and Flynn got their payday for shilling to the crowd.
To continue the sham, now the goofs from Pennsylvania came to visit the goofs from Arizona to help make trump feel better. The game continues Curtis...to what end? I get it, you don't like Biden and his policies, but don't insult yourself by pretending all of this is real. The Red states in question were overseen by republicans who verified the election results.
It doesn't matter who sits on the commission; that said, i would love to see a mix of public and private sector from both sides of the aisle aided by capable investigators. Much like i was willing to wait for Mueller's report to come out, this one will be produced and not reduced with Pompeo running interference. Nope, no collusion, just lots of Russian interference. Facts matter; or at least they should.
I've never been a believer in the voting machine plot. You haven't paid attention if you think I have. My concern is that credible reports and blatantly illegal rule changes by state administration officials were never fully adjudicated.
I don't believe we know enough about election irregularities and you do not believe we know enough about a DC riot which really did much less damage than the more serious riots in DC and elsewhere. We could just investigate both if we could assure impartiality but we can't.
You know, if democrats appoint a commission or the majority of a commission, who most of the token Republicans would be. Their goal would be to further divide and reduce the Republican base and turn Trump skeptics toward voting democrat just as they succeeded in doing with you and and many thousand other voters in Georgia. Punish the Republican party and its voters for electing Trump. Despite Bill Pearson's snark, a democrat-led commission would have the sole purpose of splitting the Republican vote. As I've said before, any Republican administration would be better than what we have now, including one led by Trump.
What matters more: knowing the truth, or maintaining the GOP? If facing the reality of Jan 6 means the GOP splinters, then doesn't that just mean the GOP deserves its destruction due to its own behavior?
What truth do you think can't be determined by DOJ investigations? A commission's only purpose would be to provide a platform for democrat propaganda. Do you think the whole mess was a product of a vast right wing conspiracy engineered by the Republican party? I think the democrats should investigate until hell freezes over if it keeps them away from legislative matters. I really do not care but anyone who expects impartiality is kidding himself.
Oh, so then you think the 6 Benghazi investigations were wastes of time and money? Good to know.
I think there is a distinct possibility that members of the elected Republicans that provided support to groups like the Oath Keepers. I'd like to see an investigation, and a determination one way or the other as to their culpability. You should want to know if this is true or not as well: but of course I don't expect any results to change your mind one way or the other, Curtis.
The Benghazi investigation is one of the things that have convinced me that nothing useful comes from Congressional investigations.. It's all partisan political theater.
This is the whole game right in a nutshell. They know everything they find will make republicans look horrible. So its best to just move on and hope people forget. When the only people trustworthy are the ones whose lies got us into this mess you know they don't have any legs left to stand on. And considering they hate America they have no problem destroying her if it gets them the power to do what they want.
If there's nothing troublesome to find, then it doesnt matter who appoints the commission. That being said, there is more than enough evidence to warrant a commission. Just the fact that they are so against it is absolute proof of a broad conspiracy against our nation and EVERY citizen should be concerned.
Nothing is absolute. Is it absolute proof that something must have been amiss in the election process because democrats are fighting any investigations tooth and nail.
There were so many lawsuits involving the election, and not in any of those cases was any fraud from the Democrats involved or proven. Do you really think the Dems are so capable of fraud, and yet would not flip a single statehouse?
Democrats are fighting audits and investigations tooth and nail. What else do you want me to prove? The most compelling cases were in Pennsylvania where the partisan state supreme court ruled the GOP did not file suit in a timely matter and the US Supreme Court said the states were responsible for elections (I agree) and the citizens of Pennsylvania did it to themselves.
The local officials are not impartial. They are trying to cover their rear. But, the fact remains, democrats are fighting investigations tooth and nail.
This entire dissertation is a Democrat's wet dream. This commission would be nothing more than a continuation of the Democrat's reelection strategy. I love that list of alleged federal crimes. I thought back to the siege of the Portland Federal courthouse and wonder why we did not see these allegations. All of them apply to the Rioters in Portland that continued their riot for over 100 days.
What matters more: knowing the truth (regardless of outcome for the GOP), or countering the Democrats? If facing the reality of Jan 6 means the GOP splinters, then doesn't that just mean the GOP deserves its destruction due to its own behavior?
Also: rioters in Portland have been and are being charged, just typically with state-level charges and not Federal - 'cause most if not all of the issues are not related to Federal officials/property.
What is more important is the search for the truth but the truth is apparent and was apparent 1 week after the riot. Since then, everything with regards to the riot has been weaponized to the detriment of the country. The Rioters in Portland were, on a nightly basis, attacking a federal courthouse which is afforded the same protections as the capital.
The extent of culpability needs to be known: were any elected members of Congress involved?
You do realize that rioters are indeed being charged by the Feds as well, yes? (https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/fairview-man-faces-federal-charges-damaging-government-property-during-portland-riots)
But, since you want to talk about the last summer's riots: if you think those should be investigated and charges brought, then why would Jan 6 be any different? Why is Jan 6 less important than what happened in various localities, when Jan 6 involved the very seat of the US Government?
On the charges, the article indicated the seriousness of the charges against the rioters at the capital. I just pointed out that these same laws were being broken by the antifa idea guys in portland for 100 days. People that break laws should be prosecuted, even handedly. I do not question that. I still maintain that everything we need to know about Jan 6th is known. Congress members may very well have thought that a riot to let congress know that they were not doing the job they were supposed to be doing was understandable. I believe that also. That is not against the law.
They were doing their jobs: certifying the Electoral College results. You didn't like the results: that doesn't mean you get to stop the process.
In my humble opinion, that was only one of the things that they were doing that deserved interruption. There were many more. The riot was effective in reminding congress who they work for. They did not have it in their power to keep it stopped on January 6th but you would be mistaken to believe it was all about that.
Larry Sabato would have two never-Trumps appoint a commission? Right. I would support a commission appointed by John Kerry and Tom Pompeo - total opposites in politics and competence.
The Trumpers have a chance to put someone on the commission but they are choosing to try to shut it down.
And if they don't want to play ball and actually take part in the investigation, then why bother involving them?
Is any Trump follower going to really believe any negatives that come out, even if they were involved?
There is zero % chance of anyone who buys into the "big lie" would believe anything that comes from a bipartisan commission no matter who heads it up. This is all just fools gold to pretend there is any interest in getting to the bottom of what happened and why. The dems should appoint whomever is willing to serve and not worry if the bat-shit crazy ones will believe any of it.
The other day i was going to comment on your Flynn piece, but again, i know i am just wasting my time. The tragedy is people like Flynn and Powell and a host of others are smart enough to know it's all crap but smarter yet to realize (like trump) the suckers will just keep paying. It's all part of the con and grifters, once they set the hook, will keep reeling as long as the chumps keep paying to hear the tripe.
I smile because whenever i read Curtis i flash back to the one time trump actually told the truth:"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible." Funny isn't it? Or, is it that pathetic?
I suppose it would depend on who he shot and why. The "big lie" is a democrat talking point but is true that many are convinced the election was stolen. As for me, I simply believe the investigation was lacking. Not that it matters now. The election is over.
Of course i was being snarky Curtis, i am tired of the nonsense and that reasonably smart people are buying the crap. In fact those were the exact words that that Powell's attorney used in court; here it is: “that reasonable people would not accept such statements." I guess if you want to believe the Dominion voting machines were taken over by the ghost of Hugo Chavez, knock yourself out. Even Sydney admits it was utter nonsense.
I posted trump's comment, less about the shooting and more to this point; the guy who has been a con man his entire life couldn't believe how foolish people are..."it's like incredible." Don't feel bad though, there's so many of you buying it you just keep validating one another.
To your credit, at least you know it's over. Powell on the stage the other day claimed he would be reinstated to The White House come August which got a thunderous applause and then trump restated it the other day and now millions believe it will happen. Then there's the other thing, both Powell and Flynn got their payday for shilling to the crowd.
To continue the sham, now the goofs from Pennsylvania came to visit the goofs from Arizona to help make trump feel better. The game continues Curtis...to what end? I get it, you don't like Biden and his policies, but don't insult yourself by pretending all of this is real. The Red states in question were overseen by republicans who verified the election results.
It doesn't matter who sits on the commission; that said, i would love to see a mix of public and private sector from both sides of the aisle aided by capable investigators. Much like i was willing to wait for Mueller's report to come out, this one will be produced and not reduced with Pompeo running interference. Nope, no collusion, just lots of Russian interference. Facts matter; or at least they should.
I've never been a believer in the voting machine plot. You haven't paid attention if you think I have. My concern is that credible reports and blatantly illegal rule changes by state administration officials were never fully adjudicated.
I don't believe we know enough about election irregularities and you do not believe we know enough about a DC riot which really did much less damage than the more serious riots in DC and elsewhere. We could just investigate both if we could assure impartiality but we can't.
You know, if democrats appoint a commission or the majority of a commission, who most of the token Republicans would be. Their goal would be to further divide and reduce the Republican base and turn Trump skeptics toward voting democrat just as they succeeded in doing with you and and many thousand other voters in Georgia. Punish the Republican party and its voters for electing Trump. Despite Bill Pearson's snark, a democrat-led commission would have the sole purpose of splitting the Republican vote. As I've said before, any Republican administration would be better than what we have now, including one led by Trump.
What matters more: knowing the truth, or maintaining the GOP? If facing the reality of Jan 6 means the GOP splinters, then doesn't that just mean the GOP deserves its destruction due to its own behavior?
Or is frustrating Democrats more important?
What truth do you think can't be determined by DOJ investigations? A commission's only purpose would be to provide a platform for democrat propaganda. Do you think the whole mess was a product of a vast right wing conspiracy engineered by the Republican party? I think the democrats should investigate until hell freezes over if it keeps them away from legislative matters. I really do not care but anyone who expects impartiality is kidding himself.
Oh, so then you think the 6 Benghazi investigations were wastes of time and money? Good to know.
I think there is a distinct possibility that members of the elected Republicans that provided support to groups like the Oath Keepers. I'd like to see an investigation, and a determination one way or the other as to their culpability. You should want to know if this is true or not as well: but of course I don't expect any results to change your mind one way or the other, Curtis.
The Benghazi investigation is one of the things that have convinced me that nothing useful comes from Congressional investigations.. It's all partisan political theater.
This is the whole game right in a nutshell. They know everything they find will make republicans look horrible. So its best to just move on and hope people forget. When the only people trustworthy are the ones whose lies got us into this mess you know they don't have any legs left to stand on. And considering they hate America they have no problem destroying her if it gets them the power to do what they want.
If there's nothing troublesome to find, then it doesnt matter who appoints the commission. That being said, there is more than enough evidence to warrant a commission. Just the fact that they are so against it is absolute proof of a broad conspiracy against our nation and EVERY citizen should be concerned.
Nothing is absolute. Is it absolute proof that something must have been amiss in the election process because democrats are fighting any investigations tooth and nail.
Prove it.
There were so many lawsuits involving the election, and not in any of those cases was any fraud from the Democrats involved or proven. Do you really think the Dems are so capable of fraud, and yet would not flip a single statehouse?
Or are you just so much in denial about reality?
Democrats are fighting audits and investigations tooth and nail. What else do you want me to prove? The most compelling cases were in Pennsylvania where the partisan state supreme court ruled the GOP did not file suit in a timely matter and the US Supreme Court said the states were responsible for elections (I agree) and the citizens of Pennsylvania did it to themselves.
GOP electeds in those States are fighting the audits, too - 'cause they know there's no there there, and certified the results.
The local officials are not impartial. They are trying to cover their rear. But, the fact remains, democrats are fighting investigations tooth and nail.
AND: the court was right, they had two elections with that supposedly illegal law (that they passed) and never once complained until they lost.